God's Name Removed from the Bible

[outhouse]

If you want my honest to God opinion on this, I believe one of the reasons they removed God's name and replaced it with "Lord" may have more do with the fact that there is a debate of what God's name would be. Some say Yahweh, others say Jehovah, and so on.

His name the father, was El, and he had a son Yahweh

They were fused together as one deity by some before 800 BC not all, even though Yahweh was not the one god, until after king Josiah's reforms, which took hundreds of years for the people to get behind, and erase their polytheistic and henotheistic past.


Some people fail to understand how multi cultural these people were for over a thousand year period.

 

[roger1440]

 

[roger1440]

God's name is the Bible.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

facepalm

 

[Pegg]

facepalm

i'll see your one and i'll raise you one

 

[Zardoz]

Here's a good way to know if you've pronounced G-d's name correctly.

If you speak it out loud, and miracles spontaneously occur...

You've got it right. Because they did. Once a year, when the Name was so spoken.

Why? It's the name of G-D!

Of course, if you DO speak it correctly, and you are unworthy, well... hope you have your affairs in order!

If you wish to survive it, perhaps you would want to emulate the week-long preparation of the High Priest.


Good Luck!

 

[Tabb]

No its not because you JWs are know it alls who made up their own reality about the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton even though no one alive knew (and knows) how it was pronounced.
You then went up on the next hill screaming it into the world.

You have zero, absolutely zero evidence that it was pronounced the way you think it was pronounced. Show me a sound record from the second Temple period and i'll believe you.

Really we Jews are remarkably adaptive when confronted with facts and we'd love to know how it was pronounced the most out of everyone.

I find it hilarious that Witnesses don't see the irony in the whole name debacle. Here is a group formed with one of it's expressed purposes is to get God's name correct and they totally blow it because the feel that his name should be translated to a more acceptable Anglo name. :rainbow1:

 

[rusra02]

"Jehovah," though, isn't an English word.

It is now.

 

[rusra02]

I don't see how using a title could be more wrong, reprehensible, disgraceful, etc. than guessing a name or solidifying one of the guesses.

If that were the true reason for removing God's Name, why not do the same to all the other Hebrew names whose correct pronunciation in ancient Hebrew have been lost? No, Jehovah's name has been deliberately removed, even from translations that formerly used it in places. Translators have no scruples against using "Jesus" or "Jeremiah", but no one can say for certain how those names were pronounced in ancient Hebrew.
Ultimately, such attempts have failed to remove Jehovah's name, IMO. Honest translators have rendered God's name in their translations. As Malachi 1:11 foretells, "For from the rising of the sun to its setting, my name will be great among the nations."

 

[rusra02]

The Jews don't seem to have a problem with not pronouncing it -- and it is, after all, their God that the Christians appropriated.

I believe the Jewish nation had strayed far away from God by the time they adopted the superstitious practice of avoiding saying God's Name. Their nation and temple were destroyed in 70 C.E.
Thus, as prophesied, "'so that the men who remain may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, known from of old.’ " (Acts 15:17)
True Christians are a people called by God to glorify his name, IMO.

 

[Sleeppy]

Here's a good way to know if you've pronounced G-d's name correctly.

If you speak it out loud, and miracles spontaneously occur...

You've got it right. Because they did. Once a year, when the Name was so spoken.

Why? It's the name of G-D!

Of course, if you DO speak it correctly, and you are unworthy, well... hope you have your affairs in order!

If you wish to survive it, perhaps you would want to emulate the week-long preparation of the High Priest.


Good Luck!

I figured. They supposedly were using it for all manner of otherwise impossible acts when it was being pronounced.. -- Is there any official effort by you or anyone that you know of, to recover the Name's pronunciation? How many variations exist between four letters?

 

[rusra02]

Here's a good way to know if you've pronounced G-d's name correctly.

If you speak it out loud, and miracles spontaneously occur...

You've got it right. Because they did. Once a year, when the Name was so spoken.

Why? It's the name of G-D!

Of course, if you DO speak it correctly, and you are unworthy, well... hope you have your affairs in order!

If you wish to survive it, perhaps you would want to emulate the week-long preparation of the High Priest.


Good Luck!

Sorry, but IMO that is the kind of superstition that led the Jews who had turned from true worship to stop using God's name. Neither Abraham, Isaac, nor Jacob feared calling on the name of Jehovah. Nor did any of the ordinary Israelites who worshipped Jehovah, and heard the Law containing God's name read each festival.

 

[savagewind]

Isn't "calling upon" someone's name more about trust than it is about a word? It seems to me you all are making it about a word. I even read a post that says "that's the most important thing". One word is the most important thing????? To be making it the most important thing is akin to magic; something that the people who are making the word of the name so important condemn.

I think calling upon the name means giving the self over to do the will of That ONE. Although I do agree with them that the word lord is not better than A Name no one else is called.

It is about trust. It is not about familiarity.

 

[Tabb]

I believe the Jewish nation had strayed far away from God by the time they adopted the superstitious practice of avoiding saying God's Name. Their nation and temple were destroyed in 70 C.E.
Thus, as prophesied, "'so that the men who remain may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, known from of old.’ " (Acts 15:17)
True Christians are a people called by God to glorify his name, IMO.

But you're not calling him by his name. it's a name that was just made up. Why are Witnesses Anglicizing his name. You don't translate a personal name. Also you got the whole reason why his name was not spoken by Jews mixed up. It was not out of disrespect but out of respect.

When you think about it if you're a Bible Publisher its probably the safest way to go to use a neutral name. Christians are really flummoxed when it comes to Gods identity. But witnesses put out their own translated versions of the Bible so I don't see where this is a problem for you guys anyway.

By the way as an Omnist there are aspects of your faith that I do admire. I like your Arian approach to divinity.

 

[sojourner]

english is a germanic language

That has nothing to do with the German biblical scholars who mushed together YHVH and Elohim to produce "Jehovah."

 

[sojourner]

The King James english bible was first written in the 1600's... And that is the bible where we got the name from. We have only been a group since the late 1800's

So we didnt' invent the name... its always been there. Pronunciation is different in every language therefore the focus shouldnt be on pronunciation as if there is only one correct way to pronounce it.... there are thousands of different languages and hence thousands of different pronunciations.

No, it hasn't "always been there." Most scholars think it was coined in c. 1100 c.e. It was popularized by William Tyndale in the early 1500s.

 

[sojourner]

If you want my honest to God opinion on this, I believe one of the reasons they removed God's name and replaced it with "Lord" may have more do with the fact that there is a debate of what God's name would be. Some say Yahweh, others say Jehovah, and so on.

It was "replaced" by "Lord," probably before the texts were finally written down -- not over confusion, but because Jews will not speak or write God's name, so a substitute was used in the texts.

 

[sojourner]

It is now.

Yeah? So are deja vu and sitz I'm leben, but the first is French and the second German. Popular usage doesn't change the origin.

 

[sojourner]

I believe the Jewish nation had strayed far away from God by the time they adopted the superstitious practice of avoiding saying God's Name. Their nation and temple were destroyed in 70 C.E.
Thus, as prophesied, "'so that the men who remain may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, known from of old.’ " (Acts 15:17)
True Christians are a people called by God to glorify his name, IMO.

Replacement theology is dishonest. What you "believe" has no bearing on what is reality. The Jews were abstaining from vocalizing or writing the name far before the texts were written down.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

His name the father, was El, and he had a son Yahweh

That doesn't make sense. There are many names of the Hebrew G-d that begin with the prefix El-.

The Jews still refer to God as El-Shaddi and Elohim (among others), showing a connection to its polytheistic past. Well, if there is a connection, that is - El could simply be a generic Semetic word for 'god.'

It just seems to me that if you want to connect Jewish monotheism with the Canaanite god El, we have much more obvious contact with the name still preserved in the language - it's not hidden.