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Gods of Hinduism

Mart30000

Member
The amount of gods in Hinduism causes me a lot of confusion. :shrug: I'm having a lot of troubles making out who is more important versus not. Searching Google hasn't entirely helped.

Would someone tell me which are the three primary gods of the Rig Veda? Aren't half of the hymns about Indra (the creator god) and Agni (the fire god)? And who is the god of order in the Rig Veda?

Finally, has anyone read Hinduism: A Beginner's Guide by Klaus K. Klostermaier and/or The Essentials of Hinduism by Swami Bhaskarananda? If so, what do you think of them? :) I want to try to understand the "big" picture of this complex religion. Thanks for any help! :bow:
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The amount of gods in Hinduism causes me a lot of confusion. :shrug: I'm having a lot of troubles making out who is more important versus not. Searching Google hasn't entirely helped.

Would someone tell me which are the three primary gods of the Rig Veda? Aren't half of the hymns about Indra (the creator god) and Agni (the fire god)? And who is the god of order in the Rig Veda?

Finally, has anyone read Hinduism: A Beginner's Guide by Klaus K. Klostermaier and/or The Essentials of Hinduism by Swami Bhaskarananda? If so, what do you think of them? :) I want to try to understand the "big" picture of this complex religion. Thanks for any help! :bow:

Very few people would be able to give you the 'big' picture you might be looking for, because most everybody has a 'little picture' that clouds their view of the 'big picture'.

It's not so difficult if you get it narrowed down substantially first, but if you come at it as if it's some sort of unified place like other faiths are, I can only say, "Good luck with that." We're just way too complex.
 

Mart30000

Member
Very few people would be able to give you the 'big' picture you might be looking for, because most everybody has a 'little picture' that clouds their view of the 'big picture'.

It's not so difficult if you get it narrowed down substantially first, but if you come at it as if it's some sort of unified place like other faiths are, I can only say, "Good luck with that." We're just way too complex.

Okay, that's probably good advice. Thank you. I'll try to start more particular. Do you know the answers to the question on the primary gods? I'm having trouble figuring it out.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
The amount of gods in Hinduism causes me a lot of confusion. :shrug: I'm having a lot of troubles making out who is more important versus not.

What is important to one Hindu may not be important to another Hindu. After all, Hinduism is a conglomeration of countless Vedic shAkhAs, sampradAyas, sects, sub-sects, etc. etc. etc.

So, in regards to your question on Who is the most important in the Rig Veda...the answer will vary from one Vedic shAkhA to another.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Okay, that's probably good advice. Thank you. I'll try to start more particular. Do you know the answers to the question on the primary gods? I'm having trouble figuring it out.

None of the above. Today there are 3 main Gods worshipped: Siva, Vishnu or an avatar, Devi or a form of the Mother. Now, the Vedas are another matter altogether. Although all of us accept the Vedas as authoritative, very few of us actually know that much about them. You would have to ask a Vedic scholar, and there are a few on here who will help. But the names, etc., aren't that applicable today, just as Egyptian or Roman Gods aren't . Sure, with a few history buffs, or scholars, or people wishing a return to the 'Good Ol' days'

What is the reason for your interest?
 

Mart30000

Member
None of the above. Today there are 3 main Gods worshipped: Siva, Vishnu or an avatar, Devi or a form of the Mother. Now, the Vedas are another matter altogether. Although all of us accept the Vedas as authoritative, very few of us actually know that much about them. You would have to ask a Vedic scholar, and there are a few on here who will help. But the names, etc., aren't that applicable today, just as Egyptian or Roman Gods aren't . Sure, with a few history buffs, or scholars, or people wishing a return to the 'Good Ol' days'

What is the reason for your interest?

Well, basically, I'm just studying major religions and trying to figure them out. I'm agnostic (at this point), genuinely want to learn, and also have a large school report I'm working on.

But in regards to the question of gods in the Rig Veda, I am looking at it from a more historical point of view. So while it might not be important to many modern Hindus (which I didn't even know till now), I want to place things in context. So if someone could help here (or point me to a reference), that would be terrific.
 

Fireside_Hindu

Jai Lakshmi Maa
Of the Vedic Deities it has been my observation that Agni is still widely invoked and praised for certain types of ceremonies. Havan fires for certain holidays as well as weddings require various offerings be placed into the sacred fire. Agni "carries" these prayers and offerings to the "higher ups" for lack of a better word.

Indra seems to be the head honcho in the Vedas, but again, you'd probably do better by just reading an annotated or abridged version of them. Like Vinayaka said, most Hindus find the Vedas very puzzling and difficult to get through. So must of us only know pieces of it.

I am uncertain if Vishnu is mentioned in the Vedas, But I believe Rudra (who is thought to be Shiva) as well as the Goddess appear in the Vedas. But if I am wrong hopefully someone with more wisdom can correct me.

:camp:
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
I am uncertain if Vishnu is mentioned in the Vedas,

Namaste, FH:

Lord Shri Vishnu is mentioned in the Rig Veda. He may not have a lot of hymns addressed to Him, but the epithets that are used to describe Him are very, very keen on portraying Him as just as important as any other Devata that may have numerous, outnumbering hymns than the ones attributed to Him.

For example, a few times, Lord Shri Vishnu is addressed as "Stronger than the Strongest"; Lord Shri Vishnu "propped the highest place of congregation"; and, the Well of Mead (Soma) is found in His "highest footstep". Please see hymn 1.154 and 7.100 for more information.

But, please keep in mind that the Vishnu of the Rig Veda is commonly referred to as "Surya Narayana" by modern-Hindus. This most likely has to do with Lord Shri Vishnu being identified as a Deity with Solar/Surya-like qualities, especially when He is referred to as having a myriad of solar rays.
 
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Fireside_Hindu

Jai Lakshmi Maa
मैत्रावरुणिः;3528869 said:
Namaste, FH:

Lord Shri Vishnu is mentioned in the Rig Veda. He may not have a lot of hymns addressed to Him, but the epithets that are used to describe Him are very, very keen on portraying Him as just as important as any other Devata that may have numerous, outnumbering hymns than the ones attributed to Him.

For example, a few times, Lord Shri Vishnu is addressed as "Stronger than the Strongest"; Lord Shri Vishnu "propped the highest place of congregation"; and, the Well of Mead (Soma) is found in His "highest footstep". Please see hymn 1.154 and 7.100 for more information.

But, please keep in mind that the Vishnu of the Rig Veda is commonly referred to as "Surya Narayana" by modern-Hindus. This most likely has to do with Lord Shri Vishnu being identified as a Deity with Solar/Surya-like qualities, especially when He is referred to as having a myriad of solar rays.

Thank you for the correction :) :namaste:

I keep looking for a decent copy of at least the Rig Veda, but I'm not sure which one is any good.

:camp:
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
Namaste.

I forget exactly where this is in the Upanishads (Chandogya IIRC) - Svetaketu asks Udalaka 'yeah, but how many Gods are there really?'

Udalaka replies with some astronomical figure like 1008, but Svetaketu still wasn't happy with this response, so he keeps on asking...

Udalaka then keeps on whittling this number down, excluding all Gods seen to be 'extraneous' until he reaches 64, including all the main Gods and the Devatas.

Svetaketu, still not happy says; 'yes, I know that, father (Udalaka was his father)...but really and truly, how many?...at the end of the day, how many?'

Udalaka then said "well, every Hindu believes in the Trimurti (Brahm, Visnu, Mahesha)...so to save argument, we will say 'okay, there's three Gods. Hinduism has three Gods, happy now?'

Svetaketu still wasn't satisfied "I know that too, but out of those three, which is the greatest God? The #1 God?"

Udalaka smiled and said - 'so, you are finally admitting there's only one God after asking me how many there are?...you are indeed a silly boy...what if I were to tell you there is only ONE God and thou art that?

You are God, Svetaketu. You ARE God, so stop trying to count them!

This is how I learned it.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems to me that Hinduism exists in such a way that attempting to find out which are the primary gods isn't particularly helpful in understanding the religion itself.

I believe that in this respect the faith is not too similar to Paganistic or Abrahamic religions where establishing where reaching a common understanding of the roles of the gods might perhaps be particularly important and consequential.

Instead, the personal connection with one or more Devas and/or Gurus and the specific form of commitment to religious practice would have more weight in perceiving the significance of the religion. And it happens in a strongly personal way.

Maybe I am mistaken, but that is how it looks to me at the moment.
 

ions

Member
Trying to understand Vedas would be very challenging (and not recommended task IMHO).
Vedanta-sutra starts with, "athato brahma jijnasa", i.e. "Now one should inquire about Brahman - The absolute truth, the transcendental, spiritual nature". The "Now.." implies one has satisfied necessary prerequisites to understand and assimilate the knowledge (requiring a fairly high level of spiritual discipline and maturity). It is like trying to understand the mathematics behind quantum field theory with a grade school mathematics background---even if we recognize a few symbols here and there, we will most likely misunderstand its context and miss the point altogether. That is why modern scholars have failed to find much value or make sense of Vedas. I would even go as far and say in today's age it is simply not possible to develop the requisites (based on Prabhupada's and Kripalu's statements). This is a lost science.

But not all is lost. Fortunately, the true Brahamanas of yore foresaw this plight of civilization and composed Vedanta ("end or summary of Vedas") for our benefit. A good place to start would be Bhagavad Gita and then Srimad Bhagvatam.

In terms of the numerous demigods, there is no need to get overly confused. Think of it this way. This universe is just like a large corporation, with various managers, department heads, vice presidents, etc.. But these are simply posts, and with proper karma, anyone can become eligible to occupy such a post. The founder of this universe is God, which is not a post and no one could replace, but instead is the reason posts exist and are empowered by God's grace.

So who is God then? Well in Shrimad Bhagavatam (Ch 9 Canto 2, Verse 31-36) which is part of Vedanta, God speaks to Brahma. Brahma is the appointed CEO of the material creation for his lifetime (which is a very long time). Note Brahma is not God. He does not live eternally. Though the post exists eternally.

"The Personality of Godhead said: Knowledge about Me as described in the scriptures is very confidential, and it has to be realized in conjunction with devotional service. The necessary paraphernalia for that process is being explained by Me. You may take it up carefully."
"All of Me, namely My actual eternal form and My transcendental existence, qualities and activities — let all be awakened within you by factual realization, out of My causeless mercy."
"Brahmā, it is I, the Personality of Godhead, who was existing before the creation, when there was nothing but Myself. Nor was there the material nature, the cause of this creation. That which you see now is also I, the Personality of Godhead, and after annihilation what remains will also be I, the Personality of Godhead."
"O Brahmā, whatever appears to be of any value, if it is without relation to Me, has no reality. Know it as My illusory energy, that reflection which appears to be in darkness."
"O Brahmā, please know that the universal elements enter into the cosmos and at the same time do not enter into the cosmos; similarly, I Myself also exist within everything created, and at the same time I am outside of everything."
"A person who is searching after the Supreme Absolute Truth, the Personality of Godhead, most certainly search for it up to this, in all circumstances, in all space and time, and both directly and indirectly."

Then in Brahma's glorification of God he says (Brahma Samhitha, Ch 5.1)

"īśvarah paramah krsnah, sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahah
anādir ādir govindah, sarva-kārana-kāranam"

Which translates to:
"Krishna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all.
He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes."

It is worth noting that some may argue other interpretations of Vedas. In particular, monists believe in oneness with God and extract this interpretation from the Vedas. This interpretation is not authorized by the scriptures mentioned above, and anyone claiming to such interpretation imply they understand Vedas better than Brahma himself. Moreover, modern day Hinduism has degenerated... so you will find people worshipping Ganesha, Laxmi, etc.. Though Krishna denounces such activity directly in the Gita at numerous places, since their worship can only provide material benefits, which in the ultimate issue is not the point of life. (And btw, worshipping demigods can be a highly technical process, which requires trained brahamana scientists, so most efforts actually go in vain.)

Finally if you are interested in understanding Vedantic philosophy, cosmology and its message, I urge you to find bonafide sources. If you pray to God and your interest is sincere you will gradually start to see the complete picture, which is consistent, magnificient, all-inclusive of different religions (in their entirety), and complete.
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems to me that Hinduism exists in such a way that attempting to find out which are the primary gods isn't particularly helpful in understanding the religion itself.

I believe that in this respect the faith is not too similar to Paganistic or Abrahamic religions where establishing where reaching a common understanding of the roles of the gods might perhaps be particularly important and consequential.

Instead, the personal connection with one or more Devas and/or Gurus and the specific form of commitment to religious practice would have more weight in perceiving the significance of the religion. And it happens in a strongly personal way.

Maybe I am mistaken, but that is how it looks to me at the moment.
Pretty much.

It all depends on the school of thought you follow and how you perceive it all. As such, please allow me to be blatantly honest.

The reply above me is from the Gaudiya Vaishnava school of thought and it is something only another Gaudiya Vaishnava would believe and understand.

I believe in some of it, but I find myself substituting the name 'Siva' for 'Vishnu' out of personal love and bias towards Lord Shiva, so it's not something that I, a Tantric Shaivist would and could ever believe in.

*not to mention the fact I was a member of ISKCON for 4 years, hiding my Shaivism under a blanket of worshiping Sri Krishna...all the times I had to bite my tongue upon hearing Lord Shiva being referred to as a 'Demigod' or a 'Devil'....all the times I had to endure Brahman being called 'Impersonal' and therefore 'forget it'.

After which, usually came this.....'Harer Nam, Harer Nam, Harer Nameva Kevalam....'

In Kali Yuga, chanting Ram Nam is the ONLY way...the ONLY way...the ONLY way...yeah, I get it already....but I am a Shaiva who is pretending to be a Vaishnav, so please give me a break! lol

I was tolerated....I guess the other devotees thought there was still time to 'save my soul from the evil clutches of Lord Siva'...yeah....right.

I also felt it was all too 'one-sided'. I mean, there I was, trying to gain respect and appreciation for my Lord in an alternate form, not even daring to criticize any aspect of Krishna (not that I would ever do that anyway because I did, and still do, have much respect and love for Him), but having to endure the intolerance of my surroundings towards Lord Shiva just became too much for me to bear in the end.

So, there are as many 'Gods' in Hinduism as there are Hindus and that's one way and probably the best way to look at this.

The only thing all Hindus have in common and what both defines and unites us as a religion, irrespective of the God(s) we all follow, is the concept/lifestyle/ethics of Sanatan Dharma.

Om Namah Shivay.
 

Mart30000

Member
Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems to me that Hinduism exists in such a way that attempting to find out which are the primary gods isn't particularly helpful in understanding the religion itself.

I believe that in this respect the faith is not too similar to Paganistic or Abrahamic religions where establishing where reaching a common understanding of the roles of the gods might perhaps be particularly important and consequential.

Instead, the personal connection with one or more Devas and/or Gurus and the specific form of commitment to religious practice would have more weight in perceiving the significance of the religion. And it happens in a strongly personal way.

Maybe I am mistaken, but that is how it looks to me at the moment.

Yeah, that does make a lot of sense. I'll keep that in mind!

I'm going to order those two books previously mentioned. I hope they will be good intros. I'll see soon...

But for one of my purposes, my research project actually does need to know the primary gods of Rig Veda. Which three are mentioned the most? From my scanning it does seem that about half of the hymns are about Indra (the creator god) and Agni (the fire god). I'm trying to find the third, and also the god of order.

Some of the other replies in this topic are a bit over my head as a total newbie, but they are still appreciated. Thank you all.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
But for one of my purposes, my research project actually does need to know the primary gods of Rig Veda. Which three are mentioned the most? From my scanning it does seem that about half of the hymns are about Indra (the creator god) and Agni (the fire god). I'm trying to find the third, and also the god of order.

Namaste,

When you say "primary", I think you mean which ones are mentioned most frequently, correct? The third one that you are trying to find is Lord Shri Soma Pavamana, aka: Soma. The "God of Order" is Lord Shri Varuna, Keeper and Dispenser of Rta (<--- [Cosmic] Order).

Keep in mind that Vedic Varuna differs vastly from contemporary Varuna. If you would like to send me a private message about your research project on the section about the Rig Veda, I would be more than happy to help. Let me know. Take care and best wishes for your project.
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
Yeah, that does make a lot of sense. I'll keep that in mind!

I'm going to order those two books previously mentioned. I hope they will be good intros. I'll see soon...

But for one of my purposes, my research project actually does need to know the primary gods of Rig Veda. Which three are mentioned the most? From my scanning it does seem that about half of the hymns are about Indra (the creator god) and Agni (the fire god). I'm trying to find the third, and also the god of order.

Some of the other replies in this topic are a bit over my head as a total newbie, but they are still appreciated. Thank you all.
It has been a very long time since I read Rig Ved and I cannot remember much of it.

The only thing I know, is that the branch of the Hindu Religion I follow is very old. A lot of people call me a 'neo-Hindu' and I just laugh at them.

This path can be traced back to the Indus Valley and the worship of Lord Rudra (Shiva in Cosmic Manifestation) in His Divine Form as Pashupati, or the Lord of Beasts.

It was at the same time as the first Vedas were written and Hinduism was still in its primal form or 'infancy'. A lot of the elements from the tribal and animistic beliefs which preceded it, thus became incorporated into it.

A similar thing happened to a lot of religions around the World at same time, going from ancestral roots of Animism into a conglomeration of Pantheism to try and come to terms with the concept of a single theistic deity.

As such, the Greeks had Zeus, Prometheus, Poseidon and the early Hindus had Indra, Agni and Varuna (ideas were just tradable commodities back in those days).

The principle and chief Deity of the Vedas was Lord Indra. Just as Zeus was the 'father of the Gods' in Greek Mythology.

Lord Rudra was (and still is) equatable with Brahman Infinite.

The Egyptians went through a similar phase and so did the Romans, before deciding to base their Deities around planets and constellations in the sky.

This is as far as I know and understand about it all. I hope I have given you enough basic knowledge for your thesis on this matter.

Om Namah Shivay.
 
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ions

Member
Just a quick comment to NobodyYouKnow (without trying to go off-topic)...
If ISCKON was being "intolerant towards Lord Shiva", I think that would be extremely wrong; I would encourage you to leave them if not outright question their behaviour.
Indeed all bonafide paths lead to God, and since Shiva is a direct (top-most) devotee of God, his path, Rudra Sampradaya, is equally valid to Brahma Samprayada, of which Gaudiya Vaisnhavism is a derivative. At the end the principles of Sanatana Dharma do unite all paths.
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
Just a quick comment to NobodyYouKnow (without trying to go off-topic)...
If ISCKON was being "intolerant towards Lord Shiva", I think that would be extremely wrong; I would encourage you to leave them if not outright question their behaviour.
Indeed all bonafide paths lead to God, and since Shiva is a direct (top-most) devotee of God, his path, Rudra Sampradaya, is equally valid to Brahma Samprayada, of which Gaudiya Vaisnhavism is a derivative. At the end the principles of Sanatana Dharma do unite all paths.
Namaste.

I have just gained much respect for you. Frubals coming your way. =)

Om Namah Shivay.
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
It has been a very long time since I read Rig Ved and I cannot remember much of it.

The only thing I know, is that the branch of the Hindu Religion I follow is very old. A lot of people call me a 'neo-Hindu' and I just laugh at them.

This path can be traced back to the Indus Valley and the worship of Lord Rudra (Shiva in Cosmic Manifestation) in His Divine Form as Pashupati, or the Lord of Beasts.

It was at the same time as the first Vedas were written and Hinduism was still in its primal form or 'infancy'. A lot of the elements from the tribal and animistic beliefs which preceded it, thus became incorporated into it.

A similar thing happened to a lot of religions around the World at same time, going from ancestral roots of Animism into a conglomeration of Pantheism to try and come to terms with the concept of a single theistic deity.

As such, the Greeks had Zeus, Prometheus, Poseidon and the early Hindus had Indra, Agni and Varuna (ideas were just tradable commodities back in those days).

The principle and chief Deity of the Vedas was Lord Indra. Just as Zeus was the 'father of the Gods' in Greek Mythology.

Lord Rudra was (and still is) equatable with Brahman Infinite.

The Egyptians went through a similar phase and so did the Romans, before deciding to base their Deities around planets and constellations in the sky.

This is as far as I know and understand about it all. I hope I have given you enough basic knowledge for your thesis on this matter.

Om Namah Shivay.
In addition to this, it is fun to allow oneself to get carried away in the whole Jnana process - I believe it was referred to as 'thinking aloud'.

Thinking what religious life must have been like in 'days of yore' around the time of Rig Veda...

One thing that struck me is how often Lord Shiva inadvertently appears. I realise the 'Cult of the Golden Calf' represented the attachment to materialism over the rejection of one's illusory nature, but seriously, was it Nandi?

During creation there, just who/what was that 'Serpent' in the 'Garden of Eden'? Yeah, all that. Option 1: Padma(Ida)/Pingala? 2. Divine Mother herself?
*yeah, it was obvious after that point I was never going to be a Christian. lol

Especially when I was worshiping the 'evil one' with 'horns' and a 'pitchfork' - I can see how certain religions can mistake God for being the Devil (I say I still should have been a Satanist and missed my calling).

I'll just go so far as to equate Baphomet with Pashupati and we'll leave it there (yes, I have dabbled in 'the Craft' until trying to understand the Lesser Key of Solomon just became too difficult and I wasn't about to come to a full understanding of Qabalah at that time just to pursue it any further).

Anyway, I hope all of this and what I quoted as saying previously all helps from a 'historical perspective'.

Om Namah Shivay.
 
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Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Thank you for the correction :) :namaste:

I keep looking for a decent copy of at least the Rig Veda, but I'm not sure which one is any good.

:camp:

FH,

The following are a few links that may come in handy. However, if you find a hymn or a verse on which you need clarification, please let me know and I will do my best to assist you. Or, you can PM Kalicharan Tuvij here on RF, who is also well-rounded with the scripture in said question. Enjoy:

http://www.sanskritweb.net/rigveda/griffith-p.pdf

Ravi's sanskrit site: http://sanskrit.pvravi.net

THE RIGVEDA - A HISTORICAL ANALYSIS

The Hymns of the Rigveda - Google Books

Rig-Veda-sanhita: the sacred hymns of the Brahmans - Google Books

Vedams eBooks

(if you are interested in reading a little bit about Rig Vedic meters --->) http://ia700401.us.archive.org/29/items/vedicmetreinitsh00arnouoft/vedicmetreinitsh00arnouoft.pdf
 
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