God's opposition to homosexual behavior. Why?

[AManCalledHorse]

Well I don't know how you go about doing that, so I can't comment on that one way or the other. I will say though, that the various Churches have caused far more harm to gay people than good. If Hitler hadn't happened I'd call them the worst enemy of gay people. So congrats, not as bad as Hitler is the best I can say about some (not all) Churches.

To be fair Nazi's targeted what they saw as a weakness in Germany/mankind. Homosexuals, Jews, whoever.

Interestingly they did not target lesbians as they were not regarded as a threat to Nazi racial policies and were generally not targeted for persecution. Similarly, the Nazis generally did not target non-German homosexuals unless they were active with German partners. In most cases, the Nazis were prepared to accept former homosexuals into the "racial community" provided that they became "racially conscious" and gave up their llifestyle.

Persecution of Homosexuals in the Third Reich

 

[SomeRandom]

To be fair Nazi's targeted what they saw as a weakness in Germany/mankind. Homosexuals, Jews, whoever.

Interestingly they did not target lesbians as they were not regarded as a threat to Nazi racial policies and were generally not targeted for persecution. Similarly, the Nazis generally did not target non-German homosexuals unless they were active with German partners. In most cases, the Nazis were prepared to accept former homosexuals into the "racial community" provided that they became "racially conscious" and gave up their llifestyle.

Persecution of Homosexuals in the Third Reich

And that justifies it because???? Actually they kind of sound like many Christians. Only accepting gay people after they renounce their well gayness. Hmm.
Although that is an interesting read, so thanks for the link.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

And that justifies it because???? Actually they kind of sound like many Christians. Only accepting gay people after they renounce their well gayness. Hmm.
Although that is an interesting read, so thanks for the link.

I never said it justified it. I was pointing out gay or not, what they deemed weaker or bad for Germany was targeted. Even Christians were targeted.

You're welcome for the link.

 

[SomeRandom]

I never said it justified it. I was pointing out gay or not, what they deemed weaker or bad for Germany was targeted. Even Christians were targeted.

Well I know they targeted anyone they perceived as weaker or bad for Germany. I did in fact attend History class during my school days.

Didn't the Nazis also claim moral superiority?

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Well I know they targeted anyone they perceived as weaker or bad for Germany. I did in fact attend History class during my school days.

Didn't the Nazis also claim moral superiority?

In their mind they were superior in every way.
The message I wanted to get across was no matter what John Doe was, (straight, gay, christian, etc) he was mainly targeted because he was seen as a weakness.

 

[SomeRandom]

In their mind they were superior in every way.
The message I wanted to get across was no matter what John Doe was, (straight, gay, christian, etc) he was more targeted because he was seen as a weakness.

Well yeah. Doesn't make my point moot, though. They can be easily described as an enemy of gay people. And pretty much anyone who wasn't them.
I always did wonder how they got to power that fast. I mean I know there were a lot of factors after WWI that helped to create them. But it's eerie how a dictatorship like that managed to do what they did in the time they did it in. Can't fault their efficiency I suppose. At least during the early days of the war.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Well yeah. Doesn't make my point moot, though. They can be easily described as an enemy of gay people. And pretty much anyone who wasn't them.
I always did wonder how they got to power that fast. I mean I know there were a lot of factors after WWI that helped to create them. But it's eerie how a dictatorship like that managed to do what they did in the time they did it in. Can't fault their efficiency I suppose. At least during the early days of the war.

Yes their power rose fast and their knowledge exceeded everyone else. It took many bigger countries to come together to take them down. After that they even took their scientists which helped many countries advance.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

show where 2+2=5 using "sets of numbers and math gymnastics

Mathematical gymnastics is kind of like the move the Number 23, where the protagonist becomes super obsesses over the number 23 as he works out any set of number to mathematically come out to 23. And, indeed, anyone can play around with any numbers on any given set (such as their social security number), and have the numbers come out to 23.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Well I don't know how you go about doing that, so I can't comment on that one way or the other. I will say though, that the various Churches have caused far more harm to gay people than good. If Hitler hadn't happened I'd call them the worst enemy of gay people. So congrats, not as bad as Hitler is the best I can say about some (not all) Churches.

If homosexuality causes a person pain, and the church holds news for homosexuals that freedom awaits, then we have good churches who love homosexuals and bad churches who abuse them.

If homosexuality is not appropriate for people and harms them, then any part of society, not just churches, that "makes a homosexual consider that homosexuality is bad" is the opposite of evil. I can say to a drug abuser stop and he can say "you make me feel bad, stop oppressing me". I know you feel differently about the issue.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Mathematical gymnastics is kind of like the move the Number 23, where the protagonist becomes super obsesses over the number 23 as he works out any set of number to mathematically come out to 23. And, indeed, anyone can play around with any numbers on any given set (such as their social security number), and have the numbers come out to 23.

Do it, then, here. Show us all how the scriptures were "manipulated" to five places of Pi, exceeding calculations of the ancient world and showing God wrote the Bible, Again, by manipulating the verses so it does NOT come out to Pi.

 

[SomeRandom]

If homosexuality causes a person pain, and the church holds news for homosexuals that freedom awaits, then we have good churches who love homosexuals and bad churches who abuse them.

If homosexuality is not appropriate for people and harms them, then any part of society, not just churches, that "makes a homosexual consider that homosexuality is bad" is the opposite of evil. I can say to a drug abuser stop and he can say "you make me feel bad, stop oppressing me". I know you feel differently about the issue.

Well I for one don't equate a sexual orientation to drug addiction of all things. That's kind of sick.
And homosexuality seems rather innocuous, until you add in the sense of brokenness that Churches imbue into the situation. Consciously or unconsciously. So I see it as a self fulfilling prophecy. Tell gay people they are broken, are damaged, are sinners, they feel bad, the Church "helps" them and rinse and repeat. It's sort of like telling a person they are worthless because they're fat and then blame their weight for their personal issues. Their weight isn't the actual issue. (Granted the weight in that scenario is the consequence, so not a perfect analogy. But you get the idea, hopefully.)

 

[SkepticThinker]

Met Brent Spiner twice at conventions. Cool dude! Love him! A favorite but I'm old school with big faves Kirk and Spock... and McCoy.

That's cool! You never know what somebody is actually going to be like in person. Sometimes it can be disappointing. I'm happy to hear he's a cool guy, so nothing is ruined for me.

That's funny ... McCoy is my other favourite character. Kirk, I could take or leave.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Show us all how the scriptures were "manipulated" to five places of Pi

That website you provided already did that.

 

[BilliardsBall]

That website you provided already did that.

Please show here, then, how they "manipulated" the math to "falsely prove" the Bible shows Pi to five places. If you refuse to do so, you are using an old propaganda trick--"sure, math says X, but the mathematicians are all liars!"

 

[BilliardsBall]

Well I for one don't equate a sexual orientation to drug addiction of all things. That's kind of sick.
And homosexuality seems rather innocuous, until you add in the sense of brokenness that Churches imbue into the situation. Consciously or unconsciously. So I see it as a self fulfilling prophecy. Tell gay people they are broken, are damaged, are sinners, they feel bad, the Church "helps" them and rinse and repeat. It's sort of like telling a person they are worthless because they're fat and then blame their weight for their personal issues. Their weight isn't the actual issue. (Granted the weight in that scenario is the consequence, so not a perfect analogy. But you get the idea, hopefully.)

What should I equate, then, something that causes people hurt, brokenness and pain? People are addicted to drugs and sometimes addicted to harmful sexual behavior.

 

[SomeRandom]

What should I equate, then, something that causes people hurt, brokenness and pain? People are addicted to drugs and sometimes addicted to harmful sexual behavior.

If you please, name a single guaranteed negative consequence specific to someone being homosexual. And kindly do so without resorting to some form of societal judgement, since homophobia is not a consequence of homosexuality. (Also, just FYI, sexual behavior is about as addictive as sugar, a substance you need in order to literally survive.)

 

[BilliardsBall]

That's cool! You never know what somebody is actually going to be like in person. Sometimes it can be disappointing. I'm happy to hear he's a cool guy, so nothing is ruined for me.

That's funny ... McCoy is my other favourite character. Kirk, I could take or leave.

Hoping to see Shatner at Dragon Con or etc. soon while he's still with us. Missed two chances so far to meet Karl Urban, who just nails that Kelley voice.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Please show here, then, how they "manipulated" the math to

They didn't manipulate the math, they used math to take different combinations of numbers and produce the desired result.

 

[BilliardsBall]

If you please, name a single guaranteed negative consequence specific to someone being homosexual. And kindly do so without resorting to some form of societal judgement, since homophobia is not a consequence of homosexuality. (Also, just FYI, sexual behavior is about as addictive as sugar, a substance you need in order to literally survive.)

I can never be all I'm meant to be in a complementarian, God-blessed relationship with a person of the opposite gender.

 

[SomeRandom]

I can never be all I'm meant to be in a complementarian, God-blessed relationship with a person of the opposite gender.

How do you know a gay couple aren't being all that they're meant to be? What if they were meant to be in a satisfying relationship with a person of the same sex? A gay couple still complements each other. That is literally what a relationship does.
There's more to life, hell there's more to being a human, than relationships. What about winning a Nobel Prize? What about being able to reach enlightenment/nirvana? What about writing a book that inspires millions?
What about discovering a cure for cancer? What about being a teacher and helping children for years on end?

There is so much potential to a human's life. A steady relationship is nice, but a little pedestrian.


I'll rephrase. Kindly list an actual objective measurable negative inherent to being homosexual.