God's opposition to homosexual behavior. Why?

[BilliardsBall]

They didn't manipulate the math, they used math to take different combinations of numbers and produce the desired result.

It's not "different combinations of numbers," my friend. It is the facts of the verses themselves, no numbers were "borrowed from outside," since it's one of God's Bible time bombs--atheists say "X is wrong," and then believers who care about the issue see God was hiding a little surprise for our friends...

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's not "different combinations of numbers," my friend. It is the facts of the verses themselves, no numbers were "borrowed from outside," since it's one of God's Bible time bombs--atheists say "X is wrong," and then believers who care about the issue see God was hiding a little surprise for our friends...

And that's the problem. You've created the little "surprise" all by yourselves by playing around with various numbers strewn about the Bible. We saw the same thing when you were trying to say that the Bible stated the exact date that Israel would become a nation.

 

[BilliardsBall]

How do you know a gay couple aren't being all that they're meant to be? What if they were meant to be in a satisfying relationship with a person of the same sex? A gay couple still complements each other. That is literally what a relationship does.
There's more to life, hell there's more to being a human, than relationships. What about winning a Nobel Prize? What about being able to reach enlightenment/nirvana? What about writing a book that inspires millions?
What about discovering a cure for cancer? What about being a teacher and helping children for years on end?

There is so much potential to a human's life. A steady relationship is nice, but a little pedestrian.


I'll rephrase. Kindly list an actual objective measurable negative inherent to being homosexual.

Unhappiness and depression are only sometimes measurable. It's also an intangible to never have biological children that are the partner's only, genetically.

It's also intangible to not become all you can be because you are taking an easy path to relationship, where opposite gender couples have to overcome and grow, etc.

 

[Prestor John]

Some draw the line when the ick factor kicks in. Some draw the line where harm arises. Others don't draw any line at all. Personally, I draw it where harm arises. If two people, straight or gay, get their jollies from rolling in the hay, a natural act, and both step away unharmed then good for them. What gets me is why people care so much what other consenting folk do sexually that they denounce it.

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You forget that people also draw the line according to God's commandments.

 

[BilliardsBall]

And that's the problem. You've created the little "surprise" all by yourselves by playing around with various numbers strewn about the Bible. We saw the same thing when you were trying to say that the Bible stated the exact date that Israel would become a nation.

The proof for Pi is the passage under debate uses numbers from the passage and not "manipulation". I invite you to go the passage and website referenced and work with the math to find something more conclusive.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The proof for Pi is the passage under debate uses numbers from the passage and not "manipulation". I invite you to go the passage and website referenced and work with the math to find something more conclusive.

Been there. Done that.

 

[Skwim]

You forget that people also draw the line according to God's commandments.

In other words, god doesn't find homosexuality not ok because it's icky or harmful, but because ______________fill in the blank_____________________ .

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[Prestor John]

In other words, god doesn't find homosexuality not ok because it's icky or harmful, but because ______________fill in the blank_____________________ .

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I have already shared my views with you on why God opposes homosexual behavior.

If you have a blank, that's willful ignorance adopted by you.

You can't blame me or God for that.

 

[Skwim]

I have already shared my views with you on why God opposes homosexual behavior.

If you have a blank, that's willful ignorance adopted by you.

You can't blame me or God for that.

I'm sorry, but it's hard to keep track of who gives what lame reason, and I tend to forget lame reasons.

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[oldbadger]

I have already shared my views with you on why God opposes homosexual behavior..

Spare me a long search through pages gone by........
what were your views as to why God opposes homosexual behaviour? I'm just interested to see how close you are......

And, by the way, do you obey all of the 507 laws, that is all the Mosaic and OT laws except the 96 sacrificial laws? And do you count them all as equally important?

 

[oldbadger]

I'm sorry, but it's hard to keep track of who gives what lame reason, and I tend to forget lame reasons.

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It seems that you forget all the reasons given.....
I don't think that you really want to remember any of them. Is that close?

 

[Skwim]

It seems that you forget all the reasons given.....
I don't think that you really want to remember any of them. Is that close?

It's probably more of a defensive mechanism that keeps me away from the sorry fact that the human population is riddled with ineptitude---not a pleasant thought.

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[Samantha Rinne]

The following are "typical interpretations by religious conservatives" as presented by Religioustolerance.org.

Genesis 19 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior, whether by two men, two women, within a loving committed relationship or a "one-night stand."

Leviticus 18:22 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Leviticus 20:13 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Romans 1:26-27 Condemns all homosexual behavior as unnatural.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death. Once truly saved, homosexuals will become heterosexuals.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Jude 1:7 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death.
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If one accepts the passages cited as those inspired of god, and their interpretation in accordance with conservative Christian understanding, can anyone explain why the Christian god finds homosexuality "detestable" and worthy of "punishment of eternal fire"?

I know I'm asking people here to second guess god and his reasoning, but because so many Christians are keen to speak for him on numerous issues I figure some here would have a good insight into his thinking. So, Just what is it about showing sexual affection toward someone of the same sex that turns off god? Is it just some eeeeew factor, or does it go deeper than this?

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As to the why, most of it is about being productive.

Genesis 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

See also the cross-references.

Does the Bible say that masturbation is a sin?

For the same reason, masturbation is not really a sin in of itself, but is a wasteful action. The idea being that such love would not strictly-speaking be productive.

That said, while sins are still sins, it is important to remember that God does have grace for us.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death. Once truly saved, homosexuals will become heterosexuals.

It does NOT say this.

For one, the actual words are often "sexual immorality" in most of these passages. Second, let's look at the actual passage, shall we? Only, we're not going to read it out of context. That's what the fundies do.

6Instead, one brother goes to law against another, and this in front of unbelievers!
7The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you are thoroughly defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, even against your own brothers!
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
12“Everything is permissible for me,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me,” but I will not be mastered by anything. 13“Food for the stomach and the stomach for food,” but God will destroy them both. The body is not intended for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

So the original context is about doing things against your brother, specifically cheating. What is the problem of bisexuality? Cheating on a spouse with the other sex. What is the problem of homosexuality? If you want to have a child, short of high science, you will somewhere along the way, cheat on them. Also, in the context, of doing things against your brother... the sexually immoral are probably rapists (which given prison behavior, can also be homosexual acts), idolaters cheat on and hurt God, homosexuality was often considered being treated like a woman so there was an element of dishonor, thieves and the greedy steal from others, drunkards tend to be a mess that hurt people around them, verbal abusers hurt the spirit of others, and swindlers are like thieves.

And yet, read the next line. Despite these supposedly being awful things, all of the disciples are seen as guilty of them, and further are forgiven them. The Bible warns that everything is permissable, yet not everything is good for you. God might forgive your sins in Heaven. But you could still get STDs. Likewise, the town drunk will likely be forgiven by God, but he can still develop live issues. It's important to remember that the body was not set up for sleeping around, but rather being in a committed relationship with God. Being married.

I want you to look at this article if you think the Bible is against homosexuality.

The Bride of Christ | Walking Down the Aisle with Jesus

We are essentially all engaged in a sort of pansexual mass marriage to Jesus. And since we are married to a being where the church is described as his body, this means that our mortal love is also Jesus, so long as we are faithful. Being homosexual is not the issue. Being an unfaithful flirt kinda is.

 

[Skwim]

As to the why, most of it is about being productive.

Genesis 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

See also the cross-references.

If not pumping out kids is what it's all about, what say we crucify the 10% of women who are infertile? The 6.1 million women in the United States ages 15-44 who have difficulty getting pregnant or staying pregnant.* Oh yes, the percentage of homosexuals in the USA is about 3.8%**, so let's get our band of torch bearing villagers headed in the right direction. Okay?

Save the nation.
Down With The Unholy Scourge Of Infertile Women.
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It does NOT say this.

Who said it does? And what does masturbation have to do with homosexuality anyway?

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[SomeRandom]

Unhappiness and depression are only sometimes measurable.

Yes, this is true. So short of providing me statistics from a reputable source that specifically says gay people are on average more likely to experience depression caused solely by the factor of sexual orientation, not sure you can present that as evidence of anything.

It's also an intangible to never have biological children that are the partner's only, genetically.

Something that occurs with sterile heterosexual couples. Might cause distress and feelings of inadequacy in either partner. Can't think why, it's not like there's a good chunk of society that repeatedly holds up being fertile and having kids "naturally" as the ultimate reason for being a complete human or anything.............. Oh wait.
And progeny is not the be all and end all of being a human. You realize that everyone having babies is not always the ideal survival strategy for a species, right? We're already facing overpopulation, we should be thanking gay people for not dooming us to starvation.

It's also intangible to not become all you can be because you are taking an easy path to relationship, where opposite gender couples have to overcome and grow, etc.

Uhh, having to face literal persecution just for being in a same sex relationship from society is a pretty damned hard path. I'd argue that with societal judgment (both religious and secular) constantly poured onto gay couples as opposed to opposite sex couples makes their relationship a much harder path to traverse by default. Also gay people are still people. Their relationships also have to overcome and grow. What the hell are you even talking about? Do you not understand how relationships work?
Do you honestly think that a gay relationship is all sunshine and roses just because they're of the same sex? I thought you knew tons of gay people, how are you that naive about their lives?

So please, if you would kindly, give me an objective negative associated with homosexuality existing that is the result of their sexual orientation specifically? Or can you not do this?

 

[Milton Platt]

The following are "typical interpretations by religious conservatives" as presented by Religioustolerance.org.

Genesis 19 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior, whether by two men, two women, within a loving committed relationship or a "one-night stand."

Leviticus 18:22 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Leviticus 20:13 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Romans 1:26-27 Condemns all homosexual behavior as unnatural.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death. Once truly saved, homosexuals will become heterosexuals.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Jude 1:7 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death.
source​

If one accepts the passages cited as those inspired of god, and their interpretation in accordance with conservative Christian understanding, can anyone explain why the Christian god finds homosexuality "detestable" and worthy of "punishment of eternal fire"?

I know I'm asking people here to second guess god and his reasoning, but because so many Christians are keen to speak for him on numerous issues I figure some here would have a good insight into his thinking. So, Just what is it about showing sexual affection toward someone of the same sex that turns off god? Is it just some eeeeew factor, or does it go deeper than this?

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Good question. I always wonder why if god created everything, why does he create things he hates?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

It's important to remember that the body was not set up for sleeping around, but rather being in a committed relationship with God.

Why does God want to have sex with you?

 

[SomeRandom]

Why does God want to have sex with you?

Hey even a deity has needs ya know?

 

[james blunt]

I will give you all a message I have.

God never meant for the same sex people to get together . However over time God recognises the need and a must for same sex couples.

Gods reasons are that the Earth is not that big compared to the Universe, the populations is out growing the food supply. So to keep you all alive , God recognises and accepts that same sex couples equals less population because same sex couples are not designed to have babies naturally together.

God is good at being objective.

 

[oldbadger]

It's probably more of a defensive mechanism that keeps me away from the sorry fact that the human population is riddled with ineptitude---not a pleasant thought. .

You can turn that around.
In a world where humans were all highly competent, clever and perfect, what flippin' chance would you or I have had at getting a job etc?