Agnostic75
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Evandr said:
I do understand what you are pointing out I did not make myself clear; animals will exhibit homosexual "behavior" but it is also true that, according to an article in wikipedia - "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities.
According to a National Geographic article at Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate, nearly all bonobo monkeys are bi-sexual. The article also says that many animals practice homosexuality because they find it to be pleasing. That makes sense, including for human homosexuals. Why would human homosexuals want to abstain from having sex? That would frequently cause all sorts of physical and pyschological problems. Even some Christian experts have admitted that reparative therapy is ineffective in the majority of cases, and works best for religiously motivated homosexuals. In addition, the majority of homosexuals would not do very well with abstinence.
Homosexuality in the animal kingdom!
sodahead.com said:
"No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not
been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex
at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue." Petter Bockman
One fourth of black swan pairings are homosexual. They take over the nest of a female after her eggs have been laid, and more babies survive under their care. The same is applied to flamingos.
There have been quite a few male penguin couples. Some of have fostered chicks, and others build nests and use a rock to stand in for an egg!
Amazon dolphins often partake in group sex where they use the snout, blowhole, flippers and rubbing without regard to gender.
The bonobo ape is a fully bisexual species, with as many as 60% of sexual activity occurring between females!
Both Asian and African elephants engage in long-term same-sex relationships (in contrast to the fleeting nature of simply mating with the opposite sex). This applies to both male and female elephants. In Asian elephants, at least 45% of sexual activity is homosexual!
More than 90% of giraffe copulation is between two males.
Both sexes of the Japanese macaque often engage in same-sex relationships that include sexual activity.
Whiptail lizards (which reproduce through parthenogenesis), engage in sexual activity with other females to stimulate ovulation.
Other examples of species that engage in same-sex behaviors that weren't as interesting as these: gulls, ibises, mallards, pigeons, bison, bottlenose dolphins (which often gang rape unwilling female mates, sometimes causing them to drown!), lions, polecats, sheep, hyenas (which have VERY interesting anatomy), dragonflies, fruit flies and bed bugs!
Evandr said:
Homosexuals claim the inability to choose, I still believe that, for the most part, this is not true and that although such tendencies may have their roots in pre-mortality the consequences are still the same.
If free will exists, it is obvious that any kind of sexual activity between two people is a choice. However, it is well-known that when teenagers feel their first sexual urges, whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bi-sexual, they do not choose which kind of urges appeal to them. Initial sexual orientation is definitely not a choice. Some homosexuals have said that they wanted to change their sexual orientation to heterosexual so that there would be less discrimination against them, and that they were not able to change their sexual orientation.
Whether the issue is humans, or other animals, initial sexual orientation is not a choice.
Evandr said:Homosexuality cannot promote the species.......
Since overpopulation is a big problem in the world, what you said does not make any sense.
Evadr said:.......and therefore is an ungodly and unwise choice of orientation.
Jesus supposedly said that divorce is wrong except in cases of adultery. In your opinion, is it ungodly and unwise for people to get divorced in cases where there has not been any adultery? Is it ungodly and unwise for people to eat lots of greasy food?
Evandr said:
If one truly cannot choose the correct path and orientation as our creator has indicated it must be then the same is demonstrating a lack of that which is necessary for eternal progression; eternal progression is the driving force behind every commandment we are given. Justifying un-natural cognitive action and orientation by pointing to the actions of dogs and worms is an attempt to place oneself on their level. Dogs and worms will never wield the power of God and neither will those who justify the practice of homosexuality.
It is our goal to become exalted in the presence of God and have everything He has. If we are to do so we must be like Him and He has made it very clear that we are not as the animals, we are His sons and daughters and homosexuality is not an attribute of one who will be given the power of God.
If a God exists, you have not reasonably proven that he is the God of the Bible.