Gods personal name

[kjw47]

jesus, jehovah is not the name. this is the name that those who are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are to take but not in vain. jesus was given the name by his earthly parents.

it is one name and not multiple names. it is not a human name; like fred, jane, or jesus, or elijah, or isaiah.

philippians 2:9

YHWH(Jehovah) the God the Israelites served while serving the true living God always a single being God. The real reason Jesus tells us all that he has a God like we do, his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12. No trinity exists, facts of history prove it. Your scholars know its fact. Those religions are pulling in billions they cannot give it up. They refuse to put Gods name back where God wants it because of a lack of love for him. They are deceivers, but getting very rich off of it.

 

[firedragon]

In the OT, Gods personal name was removed( making them altered versions) In nearly 6800 spots. Every spot where- GOD or LORD all capitols. Wicked removed it, they had no right. God inspired his name there.

You mean in the septuagint, not in the Hebrew version.

As well They have found very old fragments of the Greek septuagent(NT) The ones who read them stated--We have proof Gods personal name is in the NT and used by the early christians.

Mate. The Septuagint is not the NT. Its the OT.

I doubt there is any value of going further in this conversation with that level of misinformation.

 

[firedragon]

The reason Israel and Rome had no written things about Jesus.

They had some writings about Jesus.

 

[Repox]

Here are some facts few probably know. They are hidden from most that claim to be those that serve Jesus.

In the OT, Gods personal name was removed( making them altered versions) In nearly 6800 spots. Every spot where- GOD or LORD all capitols. Wicked removed it, they had no right. God inspired his name there.
As well They have found very old fragments of the Greek septuagent(NT) The ones who read them stated--We have proof Gods personal name is in the NT and used by the early christians.
That goes along with Jesus who at John 17:6- teaches that name to his followers, At John 17:26- Promises to keep on making that name known. Along with another prayer to his Father from Jesus at John 12:28--Father, glorify your name. Therefore a voice came out of heaven i both glorified it and will glorify it again.

This proves The Father and the son want that name known and used.
Yet the religions that keep that name out, condemned the ones who put it back-They said the name doesnt belong in the Nt even though there is proof. Proving they are doing the opposite of the Fathers will and what Jesus wants. Jesus lives to do the Fathers will as does every true follower-Matthew 7:21-Jesus is clear-Those living now to do his Fathers will, get to enter his kingdom( be saved)-- so by those religions doing the opposite of the Fathers will have closed up Gods kingdom to all that listen to them=2Corinthians 11:12-15--Run from them.

When Moses asked God for His name, the response was a surprising "I AM WHO I AM… This is my name forever" (Exodus 3:14–15). When God was in the world as a man, his name was Jesus.

 

[danieldemol]

Archeologists have dug up many sights proving many teachings in the OT are true.

Is that relevant to the question of whether Archeology suggests Moses does or does not suggest?
And which specific archeological digs prove which specific teachings of the OT are true?

In my opinion.

 

[kjw47]

When Moses asked God for His name, the response was a surprising "I AM WHO I AM… This is my name forever" (Exodus 3:14–15). When God was in the world as a man, his name was Jesus.

Actually in the Hebrew there is no I am that i am. Mistranslating put it in. I will be what i will be is more correct. And that is not a name. Later on God told Moses his personal name=YHWH(Jehovah)
The ones claiming Jesus was saying he was God by using the term i am back to the pharisees mistranslated that statement to mislead. This is fact. Jesus just answered their question truthfully, he was there before Abraham.

 

[kjw47]

Is that relevant to the question of whether Archeology suggests Moses does or does not suggest?
And which specific archeological digs prove which specific teachings of the OT are true?

In my opinion.

Many of them. At one the archeologists found such disgusting things they were practicing, they commented-I cant believe God waited so long to destroy them.

 

[Brian2]

What matters is that name belongs there. The ones keeping it out have something to hide because they are deceivers, lacking love for Gods will.

A few fragments of New Testament with the name does not mean that the name belongs there.
And it was dishonest of the Watchtower to choose where to insert or not insert the name according to their doctrines.

 

[kjw47]

Many of them. At one the archeologists found such disgusting things they were practicing, they commented-I cant believe God waited so long to destroy them.

A few fragments of New Testament with the name does not mean that the name belongs there.
And it was dishonest of the Watchtower to choose where to insert or not insert the name according to their doctrines.

The fragments are proof it belongs there. No it wasnt dishonest. The ones who refuse to put Gods name back are the dishonest ones.

 

[Colt]

Names for God in the Bible:

Elohim God (Majestic plural yet used with singular verbs for God) Genesis 1:1
El God (singular) Genesis 7:1
El Shaddai God is sufficient/almighty Genesis 17:1
El Elyon God Most High Deuteronomy 26:19
El Roi God sees Genesis 16:13
El Olam God everlasting Genesis 21:33
El Gibbor Mighty God Isaiah 9:6
Jehovah “I AM WHO I AM” or Yahweh or “to be”; In English Bibles translated as “Lord” Genesis 2:4 (Jehovah Elohim specifically here)
Jehovah-Magen The Lord my shield Psalm 3:3
Jehovah-Tsaddiq The Lord is righteous 2 Chronicles 12:6
Jehovah-Jireh The Lord provides or the Lord sees Genesis 22:14
Jehovah-Rapha The Lord heals Exodus 15:26
Jehovah-Nissi The Lord is our banner Exodus 17:15
Jehovah-M’Kaddesh The Lord sanctifies Leviticus 20:7
Jehovah-Shalom The Lord is our peace Judges 6:24
Jehovah-Rohi The Lord is our shepherd Psalm 23:1
Jehovah-Shammah The Lord is there Ezekiel 48:35
Jehovah-Sabaoth Lord of hosts Isaiah 1:24
Jehovah-Tsidkenu The Lord is our righteousness Jeremiah 23:5
Jehovah-Hoseenu (Asah) The Lord our Maker Psalm 95:6
Judge (Shaphat) The Judge Genesis 18:25
Mighty One (Abir) Mighty One Genesis 49:24
Branch (Tsemach) The Branch Jeremiah 23:5
Holy One (Kadosh) Holy One 2 Kings 19:22
Jealous (Kanna) Jealous Exodus 34:14
Deliverer (Palet) or (Rhuomai Greek) Deliverer 2 Samuel 22:2 and Romans 11:26
Savior (Yeshua) Savior Isaiah 43:3
Redeemer (Ga’al) Redeemer Job 19:25
Shepherd (Ra’ah) The Shepherd, overseer Genesis 49:24
Stone (Eben) of Israel Stone Genesis 49:24
Strength (Eyaluwth) Strength Psalm 22:19
Adonai Master or Lord (as plural); in English Bibles translated as “Lord” Genesis 15:2
Rock (Tsur) of Israel Rock Isaiah 30:29
King (Melekh) King Isaiah 41:21 [of Israel]; Psalm 74:12
Father (Ab) or (Abba Greek) Father Malachi 1:6 and Galatians 4:6
First (Ri’shon) and Last (Acharon) or (Protos and Eschatos in Greek) First and Last Isaiah 48:12 and Revelation 1:11
Immanuel God with us Isaiah 7:14

 

[Brian2]

The fragments are proof it belongs there. No it wasnt dishonest. The ones who refuse to put Gods name back are the dishonest ones.

The fragments are proof that someone did a translation of the whole or part of the New Testament with the name instead of Lord.
The Watchtower does not know where they put that name or left it out or if those translators were even correct in where they put the name. The Watchtower just put the name wherever they felt it was appropriate.
The Watchtower just used the dislike of "Christendom" built up over years of demonisation of Christendom, to make up a conspiracy theory about the removal of the name from the New Testament and the selling of that to JWs, which I imagine was not difficult to do.

 

[Link]

God has infinite titles. Some titles are more useful for somethings then others. For example, if you remember God is light of all light, a lot, it is said you will gain a lot of knowledge, insights and intelligence. Other titles of God are useful for other features, for example, the name "Peace" is is a title of God entrusted to his creation to be used to establish social ties and make use in our business transactions and markets.

However, when it comes to a name, God doesn't have an actual one. He rather has used this term, as how will I be remembered and known?

The way to be known is through people like Samuel(a) (name of God), and they are metaphorically his name. Thus his name is a parable. His name as in his word of light brought to life so to know him and proper means to know him as Jesus said "no one comes to the Father but through me" as he was the name of God and held the station of light and holy spirit from God at that time.

When the Torahs says people were corrupted because of people taking the name of God and naming themselves with it, it meant taking the position of moral guidance and leadership in terms of moral guidance and spirituality. Because it's up to God to establish his names and not for people to claim to be pure and represent him, and because people didn't follow people set by God like Seth (a) after Adam (a) and instead idolized who they wished, everything went haywire.

God's word, the word of truth, the word of light, God's face, God's image, God's light, all these are synonymous with station of God's Name which is the station of the holy spirit as well.

God's beautiful names are his chosen ones, and we address him through titles such as "God" "The Compassionate", only through connecting to him through his means which is his beautiful names.

 

[Sheldon]

Moses wrote many of the books in the OT.

There is no objective evidence Moses existed at all, let alone that he wrote anything.

The reason Israel and Rome had no written things about Jesus. They would have to admit they killed Gods son.

That's a rather obvious circular reasoning fallacy, there is another far simpler reason, one that doesn't violate Occam's razor.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

[QUOTE="kjw47, post: 7485996, member: 17724]"In the OT, Gods personal name was removed[/QUOTE]
It's not that the name was removed. If you read the text in the original Hebrew, the yad hey vav hey is still there, and a lot.

It's that pronouncing the name allowed in a casual manner is taking God's name in vain. And it is better to err on the side of caution. Therefore rather than reading the name aloud, the custom became to say Lord (Adonai) when reading the tetragrammaton.

Unfortunately, the knowledge of how to pronounce the name was lost (we don't have the vowels, so many combinations are possible). Thus, even if we wanted to transliterate it, we are unable.

We always know when the divine name is being used, because we see LORD in all caps (or more rarely, GOD).

 

[Sand Dancer]

Men cannot bring the dead back to life unless Gods power goes through him-Acts 2:22--same with Moses he was just a man but God parted the red sea through him. He couldnt do it without God being with him.

There were lots of dying and rising miracle doing god/men back then. They weren't literal. The stories generally have these folks born of a virgin and doing miracles. It's just showing how special he was, but he did say that we could do what he did and even better.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Names for God in the Bible:

Elohim God (Majestic plural yet used with singular verbs for God) Genesis 1:1
El God (singular) Genesis 7:1
El Shaddai God is sufficient/almighty Genesis 17:1
El Elyon God Most High Deuteronomy 26:19
El Roi God sees Genesis 16:13
El Olam God everlasting Genesis 21:33
El Gibbor Mighty God Isaiah 9:6

El was the most high god in their region until Yahweh, the storm god, began to be worshiped as the high god. They co-oped his name.

 

[Fool]

YHWH(Jehovah) the God the Israelites served while serving the true living God always a single being God. The real reason Jesus tells us all that he has a God like we do, his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12. No trinity exists, facts of history prove it. Your scholars know its fact. Those religions are pulling in billions they cannot give it up. They refuse to put Gods name back where God wants it because of a lack of love for him. They are deceivers, but getting very rich off of it.

the name is not from exodus 3:15. the name is understood in exodus 3:14. I WILL BE what I WILL BE is the name. the name jehovah is a deverbal noun that is derived from the name in exodus 3:14.

i gave you multiple links in a prior post. this is why it is written to be still and know god. god is not something separate from self except in the dualistic mind.

i will be exalted among the people, the nations, i will be exalted in the body, the earth.

1 Corinthians 6:20 is a reiteration of Psalms 46:10

 

[EtuMalku]

Here are some facts few probably know. They are hidden from most that claim to be those that serve Jesus.

In the OT, Gods personal name was removed( making them altered versions) In nearly 6800 spots. Every spot where- GOD or LORD all capitols. Wicked removed it, they had no right. God inspired his name there.
As well They have found very old fragments of the Greek septuagent(NT) The ones who read them stated--We have proof Gods personal name is in the NT and used by the early christians.
That goes along with Jesus who at John 17:6- teaches that name to his followers, At John 17:26- Promises to keep on making that name known. Along with another prayer to his Father from Jesus at John 12:28--Father, glorify your name. Therefore a voice came out of heaven i both glorified it and will glorify it again.

This proves The Father and the son want that name known and used.
Yet the religions that keep that name out, condemned the ones who put it back-They said the name doesnt belong in the Nt even though there is proof. Proving they are doing the opposite of the Fathers will and what Jesus wants. Jesus lives to do the Fathers will as does every true follower-Matthew 7:21-Jesus is clear-Those living now to do his Fathers will, get to enter his kingdom( be saved)-- so by those religions doing the opposite of the Fathers will have closed up Gods kingdom to all that listen to them=2Corinthians 11:12-15--Run from them.

None of this makes any difference to me, there is no objective god, there is only a subjective one for each of us and Its name is irrelevant, you might as well call It by your own name because It is You.

 

[DNB]

YHWH(Jehovah) the God the Israelites served while serving the true living God always a single being God. The real reason Jesus tells us all that he has a God like we do, his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12. No trinity exists, facts of history prove it. Your scholars know its fact. Those religions are pulling in billions they cannot give it up. They refuse to put Gods name back where God wants it because of a lack of love for him. They are deceivers, but getting very rich off of it.

It was out of the utmost reverence that the scribes began to apply an alternative, that was less holy and sublime, for fear of desecrating the name of the Lord, when pronouncing the name of God.
It was not a conspiracy to suppress the true knowledge of what God conveyed to the authors of the Bible as to what His name is, or how He is to be referred to as. Or, in the NT, to deviate as to who God actually was as far as making reference to Him is concerned.

I personally wished that they left YHWH in all it's original occurrences throughout the Bible, for I believe that it's more superstitious than anything, to fear to annunciate what He declared Himself to be called. Plus, we probably would not have lost the intended diacritic vocal rendering had it remained from inception (via the oral tradition).

 

[kjw47]

The fragments are proof that someone did a translation of the whole or part of the New Testament with the name instead of Lord.
The Watchtower does not know where they put that name or left it out or if those translators were even correct in where they put the name. The Watchtower just put the name wherever they felt it was appropriate.
The Watchtower just used the dislike of "Christendom" built up over years of demonisation of Christendom, to make up a conspiracy theory about the removal of the name from the New Testament and the selling of that to JWs, which I imagine was not difficult to do.

Jesus has appointed teachers on earth, they get holy spirit. None of the other teachers that Jesus did not appoint get Holy spirit directing them.
Thee others removed Gods personal name in the OT as well. It was in every spot where-GOD or LORD all capitols is, They had no right, God put it there because God wants it there, Then they condemned the NWT for loving God enough to put it back. That is serious lack of Love for God-The reason it exposes them as false with that back in there. They cant have that. it would mean no more billions collected every year.