Gods personal name

[kjw47]

It was out of the utmost reverence that the scribes began to apply an alternative, that was less holy and sublime, for fear of desecrating the name of the Lord, when pronouncing the name of God.
It was not a conspiracy to suppress the true knowledge of what God conveyed to the authors of the Bible as to what His name is, or how He is to be referred to as. Or, in the NT, to deviate as to who God actually was as far as making reference to Him is concerned.

I personally wished that they left YHWH in all it's original occurrences throughout the Bible, for I believe that it's more superstitious than anything, to fear to annunciate what He declared Himself to be called. Plus, we probably would not have lost the intended diacritic vocal rendering had it remained from inception (via the oral tradition).

John 17:6--Jesus taught that name to his followers--John 17:26--Jesus promised to keep making that name known-- John 12:28 God himself spoke from heaven and said he has glorified his name and will glorify it again. So God wants his true followers to use his name, just not in vain.

 

[kjw47]

[QUOTE="kjw47, post: 7485996, member: 17724"In the OT, Gods personal name was removed

It's not that the name was removed. If you read the text in the original Hebrew, the yad hey vav hey is still there, and a lot.

It's that pronouncing the name allowed in a casual manner is taking God's name in vain. And it is better to err on the side of caution. Therefore rather than reading the name aloud, the custom became to say Lord (Adonai) when reading the tetragrammaton.

Unfortunately, the knowledge of how to pronounce the name was lost (we don't have the vowels, so many combinations are possible). Thus, even if we wanted to transliterate it, we are unable.

We always know when the divine name is being used, because we see LORD in all caps (or more rarely, GOD).[/QUOTE]


But then your teachers twist it when Jesus is called Lord--God wasnt called LORD in the OT men put that there, they had no right. God was however called sovereign Lord in the OT.
Thus when Paul tells all who the true God is at 1 corinthians 8:6--There is one God to all the Father--(Not Father son, and holy spirit.) and one lord Jesus--It is not calling Jesus God there as your teachers twist it into because of that word in the ot that doesnt belong there. The same goes with- i am that i am--Its fact in the Hebrew writings it did say that statement--I will be what i will be is correct. And they use that misinterpretation to claim Jesus was saying he was God when he answered the Pharisees and said before Abraham was i am. He just answered their question honestly.

 

[kjw47]

There were lots of dying and rising miracle doing god/men back then. They weren't literal. The stories generally have these folks born of a virgin and doing miracles. It's just showing how special he was, but he did say that we could do what he did and even better.

He was speaking to the little flock in that statement-Luke 12:32--- And back in those days they did some miracles-Not anymore. The other sheep( great crowd)could not do those things. Only the little flock.

 

[kjw47]

the name is not from exodus 3:15. the name is understood in exodus 3:14. I WILL BE what I WILL BE is the name. the name jehovah is a deverbal noun that is derived from the name in exodus 3:14.

i gave you multiple links in a prior post. this is why it is written to be still and know god. god is not something separate from self except in the dualistic mind.

i will be exalted among the people, the nations, i will be exalted in the body, the earth.

1 Corinthians 6:20 is a reiteration of Psalms 46:10

That is not a name--YHWH(Jehovah) is his personal name he told Moses after that.

 

[kjw47]

None of this makes any difference to me, there is no objective god, there is only a subjective one for each of us and Its name is irrelevant, you might as well call It by your own name because It is You.

Imagine that. We cannot even create a single blade of grass.

 

[EtuMalku]

Imagine that. We cannot even create a single blade of grass.

That doesn't show there is a need for an external deity, it just proves evolution.

 

[Fool]

That is not a name--YHWH(Jehovah) is his personal name he told Moses after that.

nope the Name of Names is exodus 3:14. taking the name of I AM in vain is pretending god is present in self but not in other as self. this is why it is understood that one should not define god, or give it a form. it forms all things and yet itself isn't formed. idolatry is extremely forbidden in judaism for this reason. this is why it was said to moses, you saw no form on that day.


ahmi yat ahmi is the zoroastrian verson of the name. ahea ashur ahea is the chaldean form. nuk pu nuk is the egyptian

it was understood by the egyptians
it was understood by the chaldeans


this is how jesus could claim I and the Father are one because I am that I am.

this is how john 14:20 is understood and realized.

 

[Sand Dancer]

He was speaking to the little flock in that statement-Luke 12:32--- And back in those days they did some miracles-Not anymore. The other sheep( great crowd)could not do those things. Only the little flock.

He said anyone who believes in him could do them, not just the disciples.

 

[Clara Tea]

The teachings of Jesus is the key. 99% of all religion claiming to be christian do not listen to him. They teach dogma taught in the schools of men.
I haveattended different ones, i learnedabout them, i learned about the Jw,s and i studied Jesus teachings carefully. There is no doubt in all creation, Jesus teachings back the Jw,s as well as true God worship history does as well.

I agree. Usually the religion is okay, and the bibles are okay, but few follow the teachings.

CAN'T LISTEN TO THE EDUCATED:

Logically, we should listen to those educated in theology (doctorates, etc). But did you listen to Reverend John Hagee as he tells people to pray to Jesus to win the war in iraq ? Those with doctorates in divinity should know that God wants us to "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not kill," and Revelation specifically told us not to attack Iraq or face God's wrath. Yet, the highly educated religious leaders got it wrong, and they are teaching it wrong to us. So, we can't always follow flawed pastors, no matter how much education they have. We have to read the bible(s) for ourselves, and use our own compassion and our own understanding of God's laws.

SIMPLER THAN THE BIBLE:

Many religions tell us that the bible is too complicated for some people to understand, and they have a different version that is in simpler english. The problem is that simpler is necessarily different (it is not God's word, exactly). There can be errors in translation.

SATAN CHANGES GOD'S MESSAGES:

Satan rules by fear, greed, and deception, and often pretends to be of God. Thus, when a fearful event occurs, people follow Satan, not God. We're told lies to convince us to kill others in wars (W. Bush bore false witness about fighting the Doctor of Death, and had player cards about his "Axis of Evil" that he was fighting). Orange alerts were phony alerts to convince us to fight North Korea (Satan motivates murder using fear and lies). We ignore God when we fear terrorism. It takes courage to follow God.

 

[Clara Tea]

nope the Name of Names is exodus 3:14. taking the name of I AM in vain is pretending god is present in self but not in other as self. this is why it is understood that one should not define god, or give it a form. it forms all things and yet itself isn't formed. idolatry is extremely forbidden in judaism for this reason. this is why it was said to moses, you saw no form on that day.


ahmi yat ahmi is the zoroastrian verson of the name. ahea ashur ahea is the chaldean form. nuk pu nuk is the egyptian

it was understood by the egyptians
it was understood by the chaldeans


this is how jesus could claim I and the Father are one because I am that I am.

this is how john 14:20 is understood and realized.

Nazis followed the Swastika, while still professing to be Christian. Originally the Swastika was a good symbol of progress (running feet). But when the symbol is worshipped and the meaning of the symbol is changed, people don't notice that change.

For example, many soldiers objected to the Vietnam War draft, claiming that it took away American freedom and made them kill those who they didn't even know. So they burned the flag because they felt that it no longer symbolized the America that they knew. Other soldiers, on the other hand, said that they were fighting for America, and the flag symbolized everything about America (including freedom), and they said that the flag kept them going in battle, and gave them courage.

Notice that the Swastika somewhat ruined the Christian religion in Germany. Citizens were willing to back Hitler in his power play against the Christian churches. Good Christians were fighting againt Christianity, and backing a horrible monster who attacked peaceful nations and tortured innocent Jews.

It is far better to worship the tenets of the religion, rather than trinkets (whose meanings can change).

 

[IndigoChild5559]

But then your teachers twist it when Jesus is called Lord

Jews do not call Jesus Lord.

 

[lukethethird]

Gods personal name
Christian name....Oh
Middle name........My

 

[Fool]

Nazis followed the Swastika, while still professing to be Christian. Originally the Swastika was a good symbol of progress (running feet). But when the symbol is worshipped and the meaning of the symbol is changed, people don't notice that change.

For example, many soldiers objected to the Vietnam War draft, claiming that it took away American freedom and made them kill those who they didn't even know. So they burned the flag because they felt that it no longer symbolized the America that they knew. Other soldiers, on the other hand, said that they were fighting for America, and the flag symbolized everything about America (including freedom), and they said that the flag kept them going in battle, and gave them courage.

Notice that the Swastika somewhat ruined the Christian religion in Germany. Citizens were willing to back Hitler in his power play against the Christian churches. Good Christians were fighting againt Christianity, and backing a horrible monster who attacked peaceful nations and tortured innocent Jews.

It is far better to worship the tenets of the religion, rather than trinkets (whose meanings can change).

the svastika of the nazis was inverted to give the appearance of an outward vs hindu inward turning, involution. probably on the same par as the hajj march around the kaaba counter-clockwise 7 times.


but what does this have to do with the name of names?

 

[danieldemol]

Many of them. At one the archeologists found such disgusting things they were practicing, they commented-I cant believe God waited so long to destroy them.

So tall claims is all you have, nothing specific.

In my opinion.

 

[dybmh]

Not one living can prove they deal with the angel of death.
The drs try to say this one died for 15 minutes, but they werent dead they still live.

The point is, a person shouldn't ignore the possibility that Jesus was partnered with dark forces. If you take a look at Luke 11:15-19, you'll see Jesus never denies working with Beezelbub. It's similar in the manner which he doesn't deny or acknowledge that he is "King of the Jews".

Also, according to Paul, 2 Corinthians 11:14, Satan can transform into an angel of light. Jesus also transfigures into an angel of light (Matthew 17:1, Mark 9:2-3, Luke 9:28-29).

 

[kjw47]

That doesn't show there is a need for an external deity, it just proves evolution.

God created it all. Not wise to stand in opposition, this system is almost done. Gods kingdom is mankinds only remaining hope.

 

[kjw47]

He said anyone who believes in him could do them, not just the disciples.

Many of the teachings in the NT were just to the little flock. This is his bride.

 

[kjw47]

I agree. Usually the religion is okay, and the bibles are okay, but few follow the teachings.

CAN'T LISTEN TO THE EDUCATED:

Logically, we should listen to those educated in theology (doctorates, etc). But did you listen to Reverend John Hagee as he tells people to pray to Jesus to win the war in iraq ? Those with doctorates in divinity should know that God wants us to "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not kill," and Revelation specifically told us not to attack Iraq or face God's wrath. Yet, the highly educated religious leaders got it wrong, and they are teaching it wrong to us. So, we can't always follow flawed pastors, no matter how much education they have. We have to read the bible(s) for ourselves, and use our own compassion and our own understanding of God's laws.

SIMPLER THAN THE BIBLE:

Many religions tell us that the bible is too complicated for some people to understand, and they have a different version that is in simpler english. The problem is that simpler is necessarily different (it is not God's word, exactly). There can be errors in translation.

SATAN CHANGES GOD'S MESSAGES:

Satan rules by fear, greed, and deception, and often pretends to be of God. Thus, when a fearful event occurs, people follow Satan, not God. We're told lies to convince us to kill others in wars (W. Bush bore false witness about fighting the Doctor of Death, and had player cards about his "Axis of Evil" that he was fighting). Orange alerts were phony alerts to convince us to fight North Korea (Satan motivates murder using fear and lies). We ignore God when we fear terrorism. It takes courage to follow God.

You forgot to mention some of those religions allowed the young men to kill for a man named Hitler, kill their own religion members who were standing on the other side, while the clergys prayed to the same god on both sides. That is one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by all creation. Ifthoseteachers told the young men do not kill for such a man, he wouldnt have enough armies left to attack anyone, millions would have had their lives spared. proving 100% those religions are in darkness.
Yes the blind ones of the earth tempt mortals with their big words. The blind follow.

 

[kjw47]

Jews do not call Jesus Lord.

No they do not. They have been fallen since before Jesus came and still to this day. They were cut off of being Gods chosen-Matthew23:38-39-- Jesus told them off at Matthew 23, they sent him to his death, but God is so loving and merciful he left the door open to them in verse 39. They must bless the one God sent to them, their Messiah-Jesus. They have outright refused for over 1968 years.

 

[EtuMalku]

God created it all. Not wise to stand in opposition, this system is almost done. Gods kingdom is mankinds only remaining hope.

There is no god, and evolution created everything.