God's Take On Nudity

[Faithofchristian]

You can't be Serious, That people actually believes it was some fruit that caused Adam and Eve to haved open their eyes to their nakedness. You can't be Serious.

Why is Eve called the mother of all living
Who's the living Genesis 3:20

 

[Skwim]

You sure love the American version(c) God of the Bible, @Skwim for always exclusively pointing to a literalist Bible God to the exclusion of everything else.

And just what is this "everything else" that evidently changes the story? You are aware, are you not, that a lot of people understand A&E's shame to be that of their nakedness.

"Divine Scripture tells that both Adam and Eve were naked and were not ashamed. But after their transgression they knew that they were naked, and in their shame they sewed aprons for themselves."
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"When God found Adam in the shame of his nakedness and the fear of death He prepared skins for them to wear."
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"From Adam and Eve onwards, man is no longer just another beast of the field but must act according to human convention and etiquette. We all wear clothing and that is a good accepted norm for mankind.

However, the second part of the verse is more complex; Adam and Eve were naked and that state did not cause them shame. When the transition occurred and man wore clothing, nudity became something shameful. This is the translation of the King James Bible, which is one of the most accepted translations of the Bible into English."
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"Genesis 3:7 narrates what happens to both Adam and Eve after they ate from the forbidden tree. They, for the first time, are ashamed of their nakedness. Up until that point they had been naked but not ashamed (Gen 2:25)."
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[Skwim]

They ate from the tree that was off limits and their eyes were opened. Meaning their eyes were closed before. They were dead after, meaning they were alive before. It's as easy as math. A few equations and a few unkown. It's about the tree of "Good and Evil" is another clue.

The answer is quite obvious I think. They were alive before with physical eyes closed. This obvious means they had their spiritual eye (3rd eye) open = alive. [Compare this with ancient Hindu wisdom "The wise is asleep when others are awake, the wise is awake when others sleep". Meaning the wise is awake to the truth, and asleep to the worldly distractions.] First Physical eyes were closed afterwards open, and they were dead, meaning spiritual eye was closed.

This all happened because they did not listen to their conscience. Then eyes open for "Good and Evil" [judgement]. Spiritual eye is closed.

So your question can be answered simple. When spiritual eye is open there is no shame/judgement. When material eyes are open there is shame/judgement.

And for this it was necessary the they hide their physical nakedness? I don't think so.

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[Skwim]

you need to look at nudity in several aspects:

Physical nudity
Spiritual nudity

both can generate several insights from different POV.

The idea of spiritual based on the Hebraic religion, is stronger than the physical yet is directly affected by it.
The same goes the other way around.

The case of Adam and Eve represents the literal feeling of shame in their exposure. this was not a punishment, rather a consequence of eating from the tree.

It also represents them become mortals and "Naked" of their perfection. In their form prior to eating the "fruit", they were a whole united with everything.

Nudity btw, is not mentioned as being good or bad, rather something they were not aware of.

You don't know this to be the case at all. You're simply supposing it's the case. All we can conclude from Gen. 2:25 is that "the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed."

This is a crucial thing to point as this is one of the things that separates us from the animals. the ability to be aware to such things. (as far as we know so far ) [so far only several species has been found to be self aware, none of them cared about exposing their gentiles ]

once eating the fruit, it was the real choice to be a "free willed" entity that is not a "robot".

The separation from perfection is the only way a "free will" could be manifested.

From a more "social evolution" POV, one can assume that nudity was common when we were ancient homos, once humans had the understanding of clothing, they used it to cover their bodies as protection from the weather and such.
It is assumable that with the years, clothing became a socially accepted way to behave until eventually nudity was considered not an accepted way of hanging around with others. (many people would disagree about this social decision, but they have nudist communities and a likes.

An evidence to that can be the ancient tribes we can find even today that have a very different POV regarding nudity.
Its not a bad thing nor a good thing. it is just an accepted way of appearance.

So if their nudity was a spiritual nudity, which I'm assuming is your point here, why were they compelled to cover their physical nudity?

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[stvdv]

And for this it was necessary the they hide their physical nakedness? I don't think so.
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. I see. So I was not clear enough. Try it again:

They ate from the tree that was off limits and their eyes were opened to seeing their nakedness.
They were dead after, meaning they were alive before.
It's about the tree of "Good and Evil" meaning transgressing conscience

As I see it:
They were alive before = 3rd eye open. See no nudity = non judging as "good and evil"
[Compare "The wise are asleep when others are awake, the wise are awake when others are asleep".]
They were dead after = 3rd ey closed. See nudity = judging as "good and evil"

To answer your question:
When spiritual eye is open there is no shame/judgement. You live in tune with your conscience [no need to cover nudity/shame]
When material eyes are open only there is shame/judgement.You live not in tune with your conscience [feel need to cover nudity/shame]

 

[Jumi]

And just what is this "everything else" that evidently changes the story? You are aware, are you not, that a lot of people understand A&E's shame to be that of their nakedness.

Well, being different religion than yours (literalist, American-style Evangelical Christianity) or not being a literalist Bible-reader like yourself changes everything of course.

 

[david-david]

So my question is, what is it in the nature of nudity that enables it to be regarded as absolutely shameless in one arena of humanity, but deserving of shame in another arena?

the reason why it was regarded with shame was because when God recounted the Creation to Moses, Moses was clothed.

 

[Skwim]

the reason why it was regarded with shame was because when God recounted the Creation to Moses, Moses was clothed.

Huh?

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[Faithofchristian]

First of all, God didn't have a problem with Adam and Eve being naked, Otherwise after God created Adam and Eve God would haved clothe them.

It was the woman ( Eve ) that was first to take of the forbidden fruit. Genesis 3:6.

Seeing that Eve was manipulated by the serpent into taking the forbidden fruit and then Eve gave to Adam and he ate of the fruit. Genesis 3:6.

Here comes the question, As to how many times do you suppose Adam pass by the forbidden fruit, before Eve was created and didn't take of the forbidden fruit ?

It was only until Eve came to be, Then Eve took of the forbidden fruit and then gave to Adam.
Genesis 3:6.

The whole thing is, that God didn't have no problem with Adam and Eve being naked.

Adam and Eve were like two kids getting caught drinking milk from the milk bottle.
Saying we didn't drink from the bottle, All the while having milk on the lips ?

Therefore when God ask them why they hid themselves, Adam said because we were naked. Right then was the give away that both of them had just been caught taking from the forbidden fruit.

If you were to look at all the trouble that is in the world, the serpent is right there behind it all.
Seeing people would rather follow the advice of the serpent than follow the advice of God.
As did Adam and Eve followed the advice of the serpent, so here we are to day, still following the advice of the serpent and not the advice of God.

 

[Segev Moran]

You don't know this to be the case at all. You're simply supposing it's the case. All we can conclude from Gen. 2:25 is that "the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed."

וַתִּפָּקַחְנָה, עֵינֵי שְׁנֵיהֶם, וַיֵּדְעוּ, כִּי עֵירֻמִּם הֵם
This clearly states their eyes opened and they knew they are naked.

So if their nudity was a spiritual nudity, which I'm assuming is your point here, why were they compelled to cover their physical nudity?
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The physical nudity is an extension of the spiritual nudity.

 

[Sleeppy]

Discomfort, i.e. vulnerability.

1) They're in a garden, where clothing isn't necessary to their comfort, or survival.

2) They've maintained an intimate relationship, up until "the dining incident"; they have nothing to hide from one another, or God.

It's really not that difficult.

 

[outlawState]

....so here we are to day, still following the advice of the serpent and not the advice of God.

Does "we" refer to some identifiable subset of people? When it comes to religion each do their own thing. After all, Adam did not follow the serpent's advice but the solicitation of Eve, one deceived by the devil. I think today we need much better clarification about who is deceived by the devil. Nudists, for sure.

 

[Skwim]

וַתִּפָּקַחְנָה, עֵינֵי שְׁנֵיהֶם, וַיֵּדְעוּ, כִּי עֵירֻמִּם הֵם
This clearly states their eyes opened and they knew they are naked.

So what? Previously you said, "Nudity btw, is not mentioned as being good or bad, rather something they were not aware of."

Now you're saying it was something they were aware of. "their eyes opened and they knew they are naked."

Just what is it you're trying to get across? One situation occurred before they ate the apple and the other occurred after they ate the apple.

The physical nudity is an extension of the spiritual nudity.

So whenever I get physically naked, as when taking a shower, just how is my spirit getting naked? Or, in order to take a shower does my spirit have to get naked first? If so, exactly how is this condition manifested; my spirit going from not naked (whatever that is) to naked?


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[nPeace]

It seems to me to be a mind thing, because you only feel ashamed about something you know (knowledge is of the mind). It says their eyes were opened, but they could see before, so it, seems to mean that their saw things differently - perhaps they now had a different mindset. But nothing was wrong with their bodies. Perhaps they needed to take their minds "out the gutter".

 

[Faithofchristian]

Does "we" refer to some identifiable subset of people? When it comes to religion each do their own thing. After all, Adam did not follow the serpent's advice but the solicitation of Eve, one deceived by the devil. I think today we need much better clarification about who is deceived by the devil. Nudists, for sure.

Adam for sure didn't follow the advice of God, But followed Eve, Who followed the advice of the serpent.

 

[nPeace]

I like that point you made earlier Faithofchristian
"If you were to look at all the trouble that is in the world, the serpent is right there behind it all."
That would be something to consider, since Adam and Eve did not have a dirty mind before doing what God said not to.
Their sin along with the Devil now being in a better position to influencing their thoughts and decisions, would certainly cause them to think immorally.

 

[Segev Moran]

So what? Previously you said, "Nudity btw, is not mentioned as being good or bad, rather something they were not aware of."

Now you're saying it was something they were aware of. "their eyes opened and they knew they are naked."

Just what is it you're trying to get across? One situation occurred before they ate the apple and the other occurred after they ate the apple.

I am saying it doesn't say nudity was bad.
It says that before they ate the fruit they didn't know they are naked.

So whenever I get physically naked, as when taking a shower, just how is my spirit getting naked? Or, in order to take a shower does my spirit have to get naked first? If so, exactly how is this condition manifested; my spirit going from not naked (whatever that is) to naked?
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Lol.
Not quite.
I meant that when you are naked, you feel exposed.
The eating of the fruit made them exposed to one another in both physical and spiritual way.
They act of hiding their gentiles was not a shame of nudity rather a shame of being (now) exposed to one another.

 

[nPeace]

The eating of the fruit made them exposed to one another in both physical and spiritual way.
They act of hiding their gentiles was not a shame of nudity rather a shame of being (now) exposed to one another.

Pardon me Segev, but were they not aware of their appearance before each other? I understand from the Bible that they could both see physically.

 

[Father Heathen]

Nudity is associated in the bible with demon possession. Luk 8:27 When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town. For a long time this man had not worn clothes or lived in a house, but had lived in the tombs

Those who feel no shame at nudity are probably demon possessed, or just too ignorant / underdeveloped to be aware of it - like the animals, like infants, like uncivilized tribes.

Public nudity is associated with sin and shame. So if you don't feel it, you certainly have a demon, or more likely a multitude. cf the demon possessed man of Gerasenes.

The "punishment" is simply the knowledge of good and evil. Those who have it realize that nudity can be exploited by the devil to cause sin, and harm to oneself. Those who value their reputations keep their clothes on. To be a cause of sin is be condemned by Christ. To degrade one's own body is a sin against our creator.

Demon possession inhibits awareness of good and evil. So if you want to proclaim to the world, "I am demon possessed like the man of Gerasenes" then go be a nudist. I'll happily credit you with it too.

Or rather it's a completely cultural and thus arbitrary attitude, given that there is no rational reason to feel "shame" over the sight of one's natural body. Perhaps logical thinking is another sign of demon possession.

 

[Skwim]

I am saying it doesn't say nudity was bad.
It says that before they ate the fruit they didn't know they are naked.

Don't know what Bible you read but all of those I checked said no such thing:
The first 15:

KJ21
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
ASV
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
AMP
And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed or embarrassed.
AMPC
And the man and his wife were both naked and were not embarrassed or ashamed in each other’s presence.
BRG
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
CSB
Both the man and his wife were naked, yet felt no shame.
CEB
The two of them were naked, the man and his wife, but they weren’t embarrassed.
CJB
They were both naked, the man and his wife, and they were not ashamed.
CEV
Although the man and his wife were both naked, they were not ashamed.
DARBY
And they were both naked, Man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
DRA
And they were both naked: to wit, Adam and his wife: and were not ashamed.
ERV
The man and his wife were naked, but they were not ashamed.
ESV
And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.
ESVUK
And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.
EXB
The man and his wife were naked, but they were not ashamed.​

Not a one says anything about not knowing they were naked.

I meant that when you are naked, you feel exposed.
The eating of the fruit made them exposed to one another in both physical and spiritual way.
They act of hiding their gentiles was not a shame of nudity rather a shame of being (now) exposed to one another.

And just where does the Bible say this? Bible version, and chapter and verse please.

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