God's Take On Nudity

[nPeace]

They could physically see but were unaware of their nudity.

The term "Know" in Hebrew means to have an understanding.

Same as the tree of knowing good and bad.
Once they eat it, they knew how to distinguish good from bad as they acquired the understanding of what good and bad are.

so they were naked, but had no understanding of what being naked is (like animals for example, a monkey can see it is naked but have no understanding what it means).

Once they ate the fruit, they became aware of the concept of nudity which caused them to hide it from one another.

Okay. So if that is the case, did they understand what a fruit was, and what eating meant? Surely they did. They could see each other's genitals, and see the difference, and they had understanding, to know that they would have a function or purpose, wouldn't you agree, just as they knew that their mouth served the purpose of eating, among other things. Also, didn't God tell them to multiple and fill the earth? Do you think they would not have observed the animals doing so, and see that they too had genitals of their own? They would see animals nursing, and giving birth. Or is it your opinion that God would also need to instruct them how to multiply, and how to take care of their young?

 

[Thief]

Okay. So if that is the case, did they understand what a fruit was, and what eating meant? Surely they did. They could see each other's genitals, and see the difference, and they had understanding, to know that they would have a function or purpose, wouldn't you agree, just as they knew that their mouth served the purpose of eating, among other things. Also, didn't God tell them to multiple and fill the earth? Do you think they would not have observed the animals doing so, and see that they too had genitals of their own? They would see animals nursing, and giving birth. Or is it your opinion that God would also need to instruct them how to multiply, and how to take care of their young?

Genesis One is not the garden event
Man as a species on Day Six
Day Seven....God rests and no more will be created

THEN Chapter Two
which is NOT a retelling of Chapter One

 

[nPeace]

Genesis One is not the garden event
Man as a species on Day Six
Day Seven....God rests and no more will be created

THEN Chapter Two
which is NOT a retelling of Chapter One

From the scriptures, it appears that these days are long periods of time. So on day six many events are happening, as is mentioned in Genesis 2. For example, the woman is not created right after the man is, but Adam appears to have had a long time, getting familiar with, and naming all the animals, before he got a wife.
So there was a great deal of time for Adam to grow in knowledge of his surroundings, and get to know the qualifies of his maker.
More than likely, this was the case with Eve. When she was created, she would have also had time to learn and observe. The fact that God gave them the command to reproduce, after Eve came along, would suggest that they didn't hastily get to it, but took time to examine nature.
(Something I feel I would have done too.)

From these facts, it would seem, they knew more than most people think they do, including what it meant to be naked.

 

[Thief]

From the scriptures, it appears that these days are long periods of time. So on day six many events are happening, as is mentioned in Genesis 2. For example, the woman is not created right after the man is, but Adam appears to have had a long time, getting familiar with, and naming all the animals, before he got a wife.
So there was a great deal of time for Adam to grow in knowledge of his surroundings, and get to know the qualifies of his maker.
More than likely, this was the case with Eve. When she was created, she would have also had time to learn and observe. The fact that God gave them the command to reproduce, after Eve came along, would suggest that they didn't hastily get to it, but took time to examine nature.
(Something I feel I would have done too.)

From these facts, it would seem, they knew more than most people think they do, including what it meant to be naked.

Day Six is not in Chapter Two

the command to go forth....be fruitful and multiply.....subdue all things.....
Day Six

as the generations grew.....the spirit of Man was not developing quick enough
Man would overrun the planet and it's resources before his spirit would show

so an alteration was needed

Adam is a CHOSEN son of God
Eve is a clone....not born of woman.....no navel

Adam was given his twin sister for a bride

 

[nPeace]

Day Six is not in Chapter Two

the command to go forth....be fruitful and multiply.....subdue all things.....
Day Six

as the generations grew.....the spirit of Man was not developing quick enough
Man would overrun the planet and it's resources before his spirit would show

so an alteration was needed

Adam is a CHOSEN son of God
Eve is a clone....not born of woman.....no navel

Adam was given his twin sister for a bride

Which day was Eve created? Day six right? Genesis 1:27, 31
Genesis 2:
4 This is the history of the heavens and of the earth when they were created. In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens—
7 Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.
15 And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to tend and guard and keep it.
18 Now the Lord God said, It is not good (sufficient, satisfactory) that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper (suitable, adapted, complementary) for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every [wild] beast and living creature of the field and every bird of the air and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them; and whatever Adam called every living creature, that was its name.

20 And Adam gave names to all the livestock and to the birds of the air and to every [wild] beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a helper meet (suitable, adapted, complementary) for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam; and while he slept, He took one of his ribs or a part of his side and closed up the [place with] flesh.

22 And the rib or part of his side which the Lord God had taken from the man He built up and made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

Adam's bride, according to the scriptures, was created out of him. She was not a sister, which Adam had none of. Which book did you get that from?

 

[Thief]

Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.
15 And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden

this one item causes more confusion than any other quote known

that Man is made of dust does not single out Adam as someone unique
all that creeps upon the earth is made of dust

see new testament......Adam is a CHOSEN son of God

 

[Thief]

And the rib or part of his side which the Lord God had taken from the man He built up and made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

picture the story as you are there at camp site

and you are told......
Adam was given a deep sleep.....
a rib was taken from him
that rib was increased to full stature
that person was female

and the first reaction would be......what!!!!!
cut a rib from a man as he sleeps?????????
and he not die????????

of course we know such things....
anesthesia....surgery....cloning.....genetic manipulation

at the time of the camp site.....
how do you believe such things

we can.....nowadays
it's easy

 

[nPeace]

this one item causes more confusion than any other quote known

that Man is made of dust does not single out Adam as someone unique
all that creeps upon the earth is made of dust

see new testament......Adam is a CHOSEN son of God

Agreed. That's why everything returns to dust. Interesting isn't it? That's why those who hold to the evolution theory, will always have a problem with the origin of life.

 

[nPeace]

picture the story as you are there at camp site

and you are told......
Adam was given a deep sleep.....
a rib was taken from him
that rib was increased to full stature
that person was female

and the first reaction would be......what!!!!!
cut a rib from a man as he sleeps?????????
and he not die????????

of course we know such things....
anesthesia....surgery....cloning.....genetic manipulation

at the time of the camp site.....
how do you believe such things

we can.....nowadays
it's easy

That's right. Spirit beings are far more advanced than any surgeon, or any mortal. That's why the Messiah could restore a withered hand instantly, speak to a storm-wind and calm it instantly, and also why spirits can interact with our thoughts.
If we only think on a physical level, we might find it hard to believe what is beyond our physical understanding.

 

[Valjean]

That's why those who hold to the evolution theory, will always have a problem with the origin of life.

Why is that? It's an active area of study. I don't see a problem.
There are lots of things not yet fully understood. Since we began actually thinking scientifically, as opposed to magically, our understanding of things has increased greatly.

 

[nPeace]

Why is that? It's an active area of study. I don't see a problem.
There are lots of things not yet fully understood. Since we began actually thinking scientifically, as opposed to magically, our understanding of things has increased greatly.

I agree that our understanding of things increases, the more we learn, but it has nothing to do with "thinking scientifically, as opposed to magically", since people that believe in a creator, (they don't think magically) have also increased in knowledge. For example, the majority of scientist believe in a supreme being. Yet, these men and women are brilliant in their field of science.
Sadly, some scientists have convinced themselves that only brilliant scientist deny the existence of an intelligent designer.
However, this is a philosophy, rather than a fact.

 

[Segev Moran]

If you go back to Gen. 2:25 we read

"The man and his wife were both naked, yet they felt no shame."
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Or words to that effect in other versions of the verse. Heck, even the Hebrew Bible says the same thing.

כהוַיִּֽהְי֤וּ שְׁנֵיהֶם֙ עֲרוּמִּ֔ים הָֽאָדָ֖ם וְאִשְׁתּ֑וֹ וְלֹ֖א יִתְבּשָֽׁשׁוּ:
"Now they were both naked, the man and his
wife, but they were not ashamed."​

"Yet" in Gen. 2:25 is used as a conjunction. From a Wiki page explaining this usage.

"Put “yet” in a sentence to expand or add to the content. “Yet” can help you provide more information about a subject or event that may be contradictory or ironic. It is often used in negative sentences, similar to how you might use the conjunction “nevertheless.”
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The "yet" and "but" recognize the existence of what precedes them.

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There would be absolutely no reason to expect A&E to be ashamed of being naked unless they knew they were naked. To suggest they didn't know they were naked, "yet they felt no shame" One can only reasonably reply,

"Of course they wouldn't. Why would they? They wouldn't, so why even bring it up?"​

Why indeed. BUT god does bring it up, which can only mean that any potential shame would have had a valid genesis., It would first be necessary for there to nakedness to be ashamed of in order to make any sense in mentioning shame. So, it's quite obvious that A&E knew they were naked . . . but had yet to be ashamed of it.

.

 

[Segev Moran]

Okay. So if that is the case, did they understand what a fruit was,

Sure.
Especially the "forbidden" one

and what eating meant? Surely they did.

Probably

They could see each other's genitals, and see the difference,

Obviously.

and they had understanding, to know that they would have a function or purpose, wouldn't you agree,

Of course.
just as they knew that their mouth served the purpose of eating, among other things. Also, didn't God tell them to multiple and fill the earth?
[/QUOTE]
Yep..

Do you think they would not have observed the animals doing so, and see that they too had genitals of their own? They would see animals nursing, and giving birth. Or is it your opinion that God would also need to instruct them how to multiply, and how to take care of their young?

Of course they knew.
It clearly states they were naked.
it is also hinted they were spiritually naked. (other topic )

It is without a doubt clear they didn't know they were naked.
Besides the fact it says that after eating the fruit they knew they were naked, when god calls and asking why he is hiding, Adam replied "because i am naked", god reply by asking "who told you you are naked?" clearly pointing the fact that he didn't have this knowledge before.

ויאמר--מי הגיד לך, כי עירום אתה; המן-העץ, אשר ציוויתיך לבלתי אכול-ממנו--אכלת

God continues and asks, "Have you eaten from the tree"? showing it was without a doubt the reason for Adam's awareness of nudity.

The meaning here they knew they are at their physical natural shape without having any need or thought about covering their bodies as "naked" was not something they could understand.

 

[Thief]

Agreed. That's why everything returns to dust. Interesting isn't it? That's why those who hold to the evolution theory, will always have a problem with the origin of life.

I believe in evolution
It took a long time to form Man.....Day Six

 

[nPeace]

It is without a doubt clear they didn't know they were naked.
Besides the fact it says that after eating the fruit they knew they were naked, when god calls and asking why he is hiding, Adam replied "because i am naked", god reply by asking "who told you you are naked?" clearly pointing the fact that he didn't have this knowledge before.

ויאמר--מי הגיד לך, כי עירום אתה; המן-העץ, אשר ציוויתיך לבלתי אכול-ממנו--אכלת

God continues and asks, "Have you eaten from the tree"? showing it was without a doubt the reason for Adam's awareness of nudity.

The meaning here they knew they are at their physical natural shape without having any need or thought about covering their bodies as "naked" was not something they could understand.

If we take that to mean literally that Adam now realized that he needed clothing...?
Do you take the part that they eyes were opened, to mean literally that they eyes were shut before - now they opened?

If we understand that the opening of their eyes was not literal, but have to do with how they now saw, or viewed things, then we will understand that seeing their nakedness isn't to be taken literally either, but relates again to their thinking, in relation to their genitals. We will also understand then that knowing good and bad isn't to be taken literally that they suddenly had a flood of knowledge of what is good and bad, but relates again to their thinking, with regard to making decisions on what is good and bad.

 

[nPeace]

I believe in evolution
It took a long time to form Man.....Day Six

The scriptures do indicate that a day was a long period of time, but they don't say how long God took to form man, and other living things, or the earth for that matter.
When you say you believe in evolution, do you mean -
A process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage - development, advancement, growth, rise, progress, expansion, unfolding)

...or do you mean -
the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth. (Darwinism, natural selection)

It is a known fact, which we see today, that changes are always taking place. What do you mean exactly?

 

[Thief]

The scriptures do indicate that a day was a long period of time, but they don't say how long God took to form man, and other living things, or the earth for that matter.
When you say you believe in evolution, do you mean -
A process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage - development, advancement, growth, rise, progress, expansion, unfolding)

...or do you mean -
the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth. (Darwinism, natural selection)

It is a known fact, which we see today, that changes are always taking place. What do you mean exactly?

life on this planet must evolve with it

so.....God tweaks His creation as the planet continues to churn

of course the moment arrived......
Man needed an adjustment
so then Chapter Two

 

[columbus]

Okay. So if that is the case, did they understand what a fruit was, and what eating meant? Surely they did.

What is sure about this?
How could E&A possibly understand anything about free will, evil, and the outcomes if they have never experienced anything as unpleasant as a stubbed toe?
It's just not rational to believe that they did, based on the Bible story.

Almighty God obviously likes nudity, that's why He keeps creating nude babies. As well as ignorant immoral people, that's why He keeps creating so many.
Tom

 

[nPeace]

life on this planet must evolve with it

so.....God tweaks His creation as the planet continues to churn

of course the moment arrived......
Man needed an adjustment
so then Chapter Two

Realize that Chapter two is not a continuation of chapter one, but a brief account of the creation period. In other words, it recounts some details of what took place during the six day period.
Genesis 2:
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

If you check other translations, you will realize that the six day period is called a day, so we are looking at thousands of years. Everything in chapter two is happening during the six days.
God only needed to act afterwards, based on what they did after, it would seem, a long period of time becoming one with nature.

 

[columbus]

If you check other translations, you will realize that the six day period is called a day, so we are looking at thousands of years.

How would I "realize" this?
Other than realize that the Bible authors were primitives and didn't much know what they were talking about?
Tom