God's Trinity

[sojourner]

Okay, so your argument is that if it's not impossible it must be what you say it is?

Nope. But keep picking and twisting. It seemed to work for Chubby Checker...

 

[Shermana]

Nope. But keep picking and twisting. It seemed to work for Chubby Checker...

Please explain why I am "picking and twisting" and feel free to explain how I failed to interpret your counter-argument properly.

 

[sojourner]

Please explain why I am "picking and twisting" and feel free to explain how I failed to interpret your counter-argument properly.

You explain why you're picking and twisting.

 

[Shermana]

You explain why you're picking and twisting.

Huh? Wow. So apparently I have to explain why you accused me of something? Well here's my explanation: I didn't.

 

[F0uad]

The Jews in the time of Jesus(p) according to the gospels worshipped One without without a trinity-concept and like the other prophets so are we saying that Jesus(p) blasphemed or are the people who came after him? And if we read the gospels we can clearly see that Jesus(p) never had such concept either its always One God of Israel according to him. Also if there was such a thing called the trinity what should have been invented by Jesus(p) himself, if that was the case then surely Pilate would have found him guilty inside the Jewish law when he ordered the crucifixion yet he didn't.

So lets make this clear Jesus(p) invents a new concept of god while the previous prophets never heard this concept before.. Makes no sense to me also if there was such thing as a trinity wouldn't Jesus(p) be clear on it?

And where do we see Jesus(p) rebuking the Jews of not worshipping a trinity or believing in one or where do we see the Jews rebuking Jesus(p) of believing in a trinity?

 

[Muffled]

Depends on how you read into it, "Don't you see that I am in the Father and the Father is in me".

Oh really? Please show where he outright says it.

So you're saying he says he's the Father, yet he says the Father is greater than him, in the same sense as John was "Greater' than all other men born on Earth. Does not compute.

Basicly that means adding your own concepts to the text that are not really there instead of understanding the meaning of the words. In other words supplanting GOd's word with your own.

I don't see any representation in these words. I do see the presentation of God in the words. For instance a picture of me is a representation of me but it is not a presentation of me. My picture will be in many places but I will be present somewhere else. In Jesus God is present. That is different from God simply being there ie unseen and unheard. For instance if I go to a party in disguise, I am there but I have not presented myself.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

No, I am not saying that He is greater in the same sense. The Father is greater in a conceptual sense because He is everywhere but Jesus is only in one place.

 

[Muffled]

An invented "Tradition" that was "Developed" a century after the texts were finalized that is "based" on "interpretations" that were ultimately unknown before Tertullian's time, to "solidify thinking" that was based on an invented interpretation of a developed later tradition which by all means is 'invented".

Now if you'd like to show that the Trinity was "Amorphous from the beginning", by all means feel free to demonstrate any kind of evidence which indicates such. And before you use the Trinitarian translations of Justin Martyr, be aware that they have the same issues with the Anarthrous Theos, and they seem to slide over the fact that he referred to Jesus as an Angel.

This is highly speculative. It is just as likely that the interpretation was inspired as opposed to being reached by reason. If an unreasonable interpetation was held previously (and I doubt there is evidence for that) then a more reasonable interpretation would seem to be an improvement to me.

 

[Muffled]

The Jews in the time of Jesus(p) according to the gospels worshipped One without without a trinity-concept and like the other prophets so are we saying that Jesus(p) blasphemed or are the people who came after him? And if we read the gospels we can clearly see that Jesus(p) never had such concept either its always One God of Israel according to him. Also if there was such a thing called the trinity what should have been invented by Jesus(p) himself, if that was the case then surely Pilate would have found him guilty inside the Jewish law when he ordered the crucifixion yet he didn't.

So lets make this clear Jesus(p) invents a new concept of god while the previous prophets never heard this concept before.. Makes no sense to me also if there was such thing as a trinity wouldn't Jesus(p) be clear on it?

And where do we see Jesus(p) rebuking the Jews of not worshipping a trinity or believing in one or where do we see the Jews rebuking Jesus(p) of believing in a trinity?

This is a non-sequitur unless you are implying that Jesus said God is more than one which He didn't.

There are some who come dangerously close to blasphemy and God is not pleased about it. However He recognizes that their intentions are good so He doesn't get angry about it as He would with flat-out blasphemy.

I don't see it as an invention. Jesus simply tells us what God is doing. Are you saying that God is only limited to do things He has done in the past? As far as I know God has never put such a limitation on Himself and here is a verse to the contrary: Isa 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now shall it spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert. (This has not happened yet, but is related to Armageddon)

This statement is historically innacurate. Pilot had no interest in keeping Jewish law.

How is it that it makes no sense to you that God can do as He pleases? He was quite clear about it. It is the muddled thinking of men that isn't clear.

Nowhere. Jesus only spoke of the Trinity to His disciples and there is very little evidence that they didn't accept what He said. In these verses Philip reveals by his question that He didn't understand what Jesus was saying: John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

 

[Shermana]

Basicly that means adding your own concepts to the text that are not really there instead of understanding the meaning of the words. In other words supplanting GOd's word with your own.

You mean supplanting your interpretation of God''s word. Interesting that you think that your interpretation is God's word, but then again, you said you're a prophet so I can see why you'd think that way.

I don't see any representation in these words. I do see the presentation of God in the words. For instance a picture of me is a representation of me but it is not a presentation of me. My picture will be in many places but I will be present somewhere else. In Jesus God is present. That is different from God simply being there ie unseen and unheard. For instance if I go to a party in disguise, I am there but I have not presented myself.

I can't tell if you're a Modalist or a different sort of Trinitarian than the classical definition, but your view basically contradicts all the times that Jesus refers to the Father as a separate entity. So I think modalist.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

We've been over that one a hundred times. John 17:21 "Let them be one as we are one:".

No, I am not saying that He is greater in the same sense. The Father is greater in a conceptual sense because He is everywhere but Jesus is only in one place.

That's not the same use of the word "Greater" as in "No man born of woman is greater than John the Baptist", it's clearly referring to rank, not just presence.

 

[kjw47]

The Jews in the time of Jesus(p) according to the gospels worshipped One without without a trinity-concept and like the other prophets so are we saying that Jesus(p) blasphemed or are the people who came after him? And if we read the gospels we can clearly see that Jesus(p) never had such concept either its always One God of Israel according to him. Also if there was such a thing called the trinity what should have been invented by Jesus(p) himself, if that was the case then surely Pilate would have found him guilty inside the Jewish law when he ordered the crucifixion yet he didn't.

So lets make this clear Jesus(p) invents a new concept of god while the previous prophets never heard this concept before.. Makes no sense to me also if there was such thing as a trinity wouldn't Jesus(p) be clear on it?

And where do we see Jesus(p) rebuking the Jews of not worshipping a trinity or believing in one or where do we see the Jews rebuking Jesus(p) of believing in a trinity?

I believe this to be correct, a certain fact seems to get by most and that is this---While attending the synagogues for 30 years Jesus was taught a single being God named YHWH. He never refuted that to the pharisees once. And as all can see who ever read Gods word and the words of Jesus, that his Father was the most important thing in his life and he for sure would have refuted the pharisees for such a false teaching if they were teaching a false God--in fact Jesus words back it up 100%-- at rev 3:12,John 17:1-6--- Making psalm 83:18 a 100% true statement-- Yhwh( Jehovah is the most high( God) over all the earth. He is Jesus,s God as well.

 

[starchild]

I don't believe in the trinty at all. I believe in the many as one, and the many as many. God is one (1 corn 8:6) and-----one lord jesus christ. Eph 4:6 One God whom we all belong too. We are one with God when we put on Christ (gal 3:28) and withone mind and one spirit(philp 1:27) we can be hid from the world of tribulation and trails. Or as one by yourself equals many because we want to believe different see different understand different makes us many. America is one in freedom many in religions. Thier are millions of people but by one we all die or by one we all live. We are here to experience all things. I thank God for everything because i believe inthe end result and not in an eternity of stillness and nothingness. I believe i am and old soul with very little education so please forgive me. Thanks.

 

[cataway]

26 And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness"

if God is a Trinity, why then am i not ? clearly it does say "Let us make man in our image"

i am singular ,............................the true God is singular.

 

[kjw47]

26 And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness"

if God is a Trinity, why then am i not ? clearly it does say "Let us make man in our image"

i am singular ,............................the true God is singular.

I believe you are correct, even Jesus and Paul taught that only the Father is God-- Satan is posing as the trinity god getting 2 billion humans to break Gods #1 commandment on a daily basis.

 

[sojourner]

26 And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness"

if God is a Trinity, why then am i not ? clearly it does say "Let us make man in our image"

i am singular ,............................the true God is singular.

Apparently we aren't singular. We are made male and female. in order to live together in community. Why, then, can't God be a community?

Is God particular, as we are particular? Is God in one place at one time? Or is God more universal than that?

 

[mohamad Gamal]

How do you guys explain God's Trinity? For me is something that I will never understand until I will with him.

okay i dont know where to start from lets begin with explaining the simple facts about god
1- gods existance is a fact
2- god divinity is simple so that if you explain it to a 13 year old he must be convinced (except if what you are saying is opposite to what he believes in or if he was raised to believe otherwise)
3 -god is all knowing and the most powerful in all the world

now lets see where we disagree

1 -we agree on that i think ( not sure about some religions not going to say which )
2 -now lets remember the basics of math can i say 1 is equal to 3? NO
try to explain that to anyone by saying that the 3 are one but not the same he will say get back to primary school learn some math and i know about the whole idea of the trinity but try to look at it from the viewers seat

Father isnot Son
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look that is it the whole basic concept its like saying i am me but i am not me how weird do i sound try to explain that to a HUMAN see how will he react by saying they are the same but not one how??? is that what jesus said by his own tounge? NO

Deuteronomy 6:4"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" not 3 in one not YOUR he said our making himself equal to a normal human being thats a fact no one can deny that
3 -now for my last point yeah which is the most powerful all seeing all knowing of all 3 ?? can you answer that dont say all of them are equal equality means that the world is in chaos if there was more than one god each would have willed a different thing leading to chaos ....... i really hope ur convinced coz it gives me great relief knowing that people know the truth about the existance of one god no more .

P.S:sorry for any spelling errors (not using auto correct)

 

[mohamad Gamal]

about the Father isnot Son
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isnot God isnot
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HolySpirit

it looked better when i wrote it any way look it up if you dont know it it is called the trinity triangle not quite sure thx for your time

 

[cataway]

Apparently we aren't singular. We are made male and female. in order to live together in community. Why, then, can't God be a community?

Is God particular, as we are particular? Is God in one place at one time? Or is God more universal than that?

oh but we are singular. please remember Adam was made first and lived for a time by him self

 

[mohamad Gamal]

Apparently we aren't singular. We are made male and female. in order to live together in community. Why, then, can't God be a community?

Is God particular, as we are particular? Is God in one place at one time? Or is God more universal than that?

Hi, i will have to go with cataway on this one. we are singular do you have to give ur actions to someone before doing them? NO you and you alone choose so does god only he choses only him can give the word and god cant be a community coz if god was in a community there would be chaos coz in community differences exist

yes god is particular coz when you go to him praying saying god which one do u mean??? and no one knows if god is in one place coz if thats the case how can he be the all knowing when there are only 3 ??? can they keep an eye on all? do they share info until they reach a decision?

and let me say this one more time jesus said one god not 3 in one not your he said our in Deuteronomy 6:4 and i think when its written that one god then say that those who bear whiteness in heaven are 3 that make the book loses it credibility right? thats how i see it...... hope u can see it too .

 

[Muffled]

Hi, i will have to go with cataway on this one. we are singular do you have to give ur actions to someone before doing them? NO you and you alone choose so does god only he choses only him can give the word and god cant be a community coz if god was in a community there would be chaos coz in community differences exist

yes god is particular coz when you go to him praying saying god which one do u mean??? and no one knows if god is in one place coz if thats the case how can he be the all knowing when there are only 3 ??? can they keep an eye on all? do they share info until they reach a decision?

and let me say this one more time jesus said one god not 3 in one not your he said our in Deuteronomy 6:4 and i think when its written that one god then say that those who bear whiteness in heaven are 3 that make the book loses it credibility right? thats how i see it...... hope u can see it too .

When I give my actions to God I am no longer doing them but God is doing them in me.

This is where your logic breaks down. God is not subject to our wills but we are subject to His.

God is singular in His will but I can pray to Jesus because God is in Him. I can pray to the paraclete because He is in me.

You should avoid saying this because it is not true. God is one.

In the three God is not separated in any way. What is available to one is available to all.

There is one inteeligence and one knowledge and one will. There is no need to share.

No. The book has credibility despite your lack of understanding. If anything it points out how easy it is for men to go astray. People are like Nicodemus who asked if he could re-enter his mother's womb. (In response to you must be born again).

 

[Muffled]

26 And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness"

if God is a Trinity, why then am i not ? clearly it does say "Let us make man in our image"

i am singular ,............................the true God is singular.

This is correct God is not a trinity.

However God is in a trinity. He is in many things but the Trinity has a cohesive express purpose.