GOP civil war

[Shaul]

She chose to fight for the Constitution.

It speaks volumes about the GOP that she had to fight them in order to fight for the Constitution.

Ms. Cheney didn't do that. She is a grifter, and a "useful idiot" for Republican bashers and Trump haters. She isn't principled. She pushed a lying narrative and the people saw through her and rejected her.

 

[Left Coast]

Ms. Cheney didn't do that. She is a grifter, and a "useful idiot" for Republican bashers and Trump haters. She isn't principled. She pushed a lying narrative and the people saw through her and rejected her.

What "lying narrative?"

 

[Shaul]

What "lying narrative?"

The lying narrative created by the Democrats that the Special Committee on January 6th was bipartisan. The Democrats disallowed the Republican Party from selecting its representation on it. This created a lying narrative that the Special Committee was bipartisan when it certainly was not. Liz Cheney support that lying narrative.

 

[Left Coast]

The lying narrative created by the Democrats that the Special Committee on January 6th was bipartisan. The Democrats disallowed the Republican Party from selecting its representation on it. This created a lying narrative that the Special Committee was bipartisan when it certainly was not. Liz Cheney support that lying narrative.

Kinzinger and Cheney were the only Republicans who voted in favor of there being a committee at all. Did you want people serving on the committee who didn't want it to exist? I'll remember that.

If Cheney and Kinzinger served on the committee with Democrats, and they were Republicans, it was by definition a bipartisan committee. This is the label attached all the time to anything where even one member of the opposing party switches sides for a vote or participates in something. Anyone with any familiarity with politics at all knows that doesn't mean it's a 50/50 split.

So no, that isn't a lying narrative.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Whether it is McCarthy swearing at the extreme wing, Cheney's statement, Romney's retirement statement I think it's accurate to call what is going on a political civil war for control of the GOP. While I have extreme disagreements with the right's politics, the country would be well served by having honest debates about what is best for America rather than the current Trump/MAGA cult arm waving.

Cheney:

"Putin has now officially endorsed the Putin-wing of the Republican Party," Cheney tweeted over an AP News article about Russian President Vladimir Putin blasting the criminal indictments of Trump as "rotten" politically motivated prosecutions.

"Putin Republicans & their enablers will end up on the ash heap of history," continued Cheney. "Patriotic Americans in both parties who believe in the values of liberal democracy will make sure of it."

Romney:

"A very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the Constitution,"

Not sure why the left is so die hard to go to war with Russia

 

[Left Coast]

Not sure why the left is so die hard to go to war with Russia

Not sure why some segments of the right are so die hard to defend Russia's unjust invasion of an ally.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Not sure why some segments of the right are so die hard to defend Russia's unjust invasion of an ally.

Ukraine been at war with the Donbas region, a Russia region since 2016. They have slaughtered thousands of Russians while Putin negotiated 37 ceasefires with Ukraine, all of which Ukraine broke.

Putin was left with no choice but to invade to protect ethnically Russian people

 

[Revoltingest]

Not sure why some segments of the right are so die hard to defend Russia's unjust invasion of an ally.

It's easy to explain.
The right would favor defending Ukraine against
Russia (the evil empire)...except that such a position
would support Biden. So it must be opposed.

 

[Left Coast]

Ukraine been at war with the Donbas region, a Russia region since 2016. They have slaughtered thousands of Russians while Putin negotiated 37 ceasefires with Ukraine, all of which Ukraine broke.

Putin was left with no choice but to invade to protect ethnically Russian people

Ethnically Russian =/= Part of Russia.

Ukraine and Russia have been in conflict much longer than since 2016.

Your memory of more recent events is woefully inadequate.

 

[F1fan]

It's not a surprise, at all. She expected it. This was Red Wyoming, after all, Trump territory. It was MAGA vs. establishment, which is exactly what this OP is about. By lack of support, I meant the support of her party. They're the cowards.

She chose to fight against Party officials. The Party gave her latitude and slack. She attacked the Party, not the other way around.

Cheney stood up agains crimes and corruption of one man, and the many in the party decided to align themselves with the criminal ex-president. Notice that he was fired by the American voters. But those who voted for the criminal ex-president should reflect on their thinking and integrity.

 

[F1fan]

Ethnically Russian =/= Part of Russia.

Ukraine and Russia have been in conflict much longer than since 2016.

Your memory of more recent events is woefully inadequate.

Yet putin did not limit his initial invasion to just these disputed areas, he went after Kiev. They were defeated.

Even if putin just wanted to annex the disputed areas it should have been done diplomatically. Occupying the Crimea was a sign he was after more than this, and that could not have been a successful dipolmatic effort. War was his only option, and instead of leaving him a legacy he will be known for serious damage to his own nation and global resources. He is a war criminal as a result. Was it worth it?

 

[We Never Know]

Whether it is McCarthy swearing at the extreme wing, Cheney's statement, Romney's retirement statement I think it's accurate to call what is going on a political civil war for control of the GOP. While I have extreme disagreements with the right's politics, the country would be well served by having honest debates about what is best for America rather than the current Trump/MAGA cult arm waving.

Cheney:

"Putin has now officially endorsed the Putin-wing of the Republican Party," Cheney tweeted over an AP News article about Russian President Vladimir Putin blasting the criminal indictments of Trump as "rotten" politically motivated prosecutions.

"Putin Republicans & their enablers will end up on the ash heap of history," continued Cheney. "Patriotic Americans in both parties who believe in the values of liberal democracy will make sure of it."

Romney:

"A very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the Constitution,"

The left when the civil war starts lol

 

[Secret Chief]

Another epiphany

“I simply can’t support him for elected office again,” Ellis said. “Why I have chosen to distance is because of that frankly malignant narcissistic tendency to simply say that he’s never done anything wrong.”
- Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis turns on ‘malignant narcissist’ ex-president

He's never done anything wrong? Hmmm sounds like what I see from the supporters of fascism on RF.

 

[Whateverist]

I hope she felt it was worth it because she would have a hard time getting elected. Then again, she could simply run as a Democratic Party member... but I bet they wouldn't have her because she has way too much baggage now.

I had thought if she wound up on the Democratic ticket id be happy to support her. One of the few republicans with real principles or a sense of duty to her oath of office.

 

[Stevicus]

In the U.S. Civil War, one of the early battles was called The First Battle of Bull Run. In a GOP Civil War, could the first battle be called the Battle of Bull ****?

 

[F1fan]

Ms. Cheney didn't do that. She is a grifter, and a "useful idiot" for Republican bashers and Trump haters.

My, what a distortion of reality. You swapped Trump for Cheney, and everyone knows it. Are you trying to convince yourself, because you don't convince anyone else.

She isn't principled.

Yes she is. She knew her work to hold Trump accountable would likely cause her to lose re-election. You don't seem to understand what principled means.

She pushed a lying narrative and the people saw through her and rejected her.

This is factually incorrect.

 

[F1fan]

In the U.S. Civil War, one of the early battles was called The First Battle of Bull Run. In a GOP Civil War, could the first battle be called the Battle of Bull ****?

It's 14 months before the election and the gop seems already to be cracking under the issue of the criminal ex-president. I suspect some republicans realize the danger of Trump and don't want to put their heads on the chopping block to get death threats from Trump supporters. I hope Romney's revelations will lead smore republicans to come out of the fear chamber and stand up against the criminal ex-president and his dangerous rhetoric, and his dangerous followers.

 

[anna.]

Another epiphany

“I simply can’t support him for elected office again,” Ellis said. “Why I have chosen to distance is because of that frankly malignant narcissistic tendency to simply say that he’s never done anything wrong.”
- Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis turns on ‘malignant narcissist’ ex-president

He's never done anything wrong? Hmmm sounds like what I see from the supporters of fascism on RF.

Too little, too late. She was with him until she saw he couldn't save her. Hopefully her epiphany is contagious, though.

 

[F1fan]

The left when the civil war starts lol

The Three Amigos win in the end. LOL!!

 

[Yazata]

The reality is that no one in the Republican Party (or their allies) gives a flying phooey what either Cheney or Romney have to say about pretty much anything. That they echo the Democratic playbook is expected, and it is understandable why people on the other side of the aisle like to listen to them.

The thing is that Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney don't represent any big bloc of voters. They aren't giving voice to anything that large numbers of Americans are saying on the streets. The same is true of Bill Kristol and The Bulwark. Most of these people's support comes from lobbyists and inside the halls of the executive office buildings in Washington DC.

But they will land on their feet. The establishment news media and a certain kind of university will embrace them as their token "conservatives". If that doesn't work, they can always write for obscure little magazines that nobody reads, like The Bulwark.