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Letting attorneys be present would actually go in their favor too, especially since evidence that they found was damaged and now don't have a solid proof.
Damaged evidence further sparks suspicion.
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GOP rallies around Trump following FBI search of his estate
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Damaged evidence further sparks suspicion.
The warrant hasn’t been unsealed nor released to the public. You must have meant that you assume it is legal.
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How do you know that? I am unsure as to even when a search warrant has to be made public. Do you have a date? According to Florida laws Trump would have a right to a copy of that search warrant. I do not see him complaining that he cannot get one. He could have made it public. I wonder why he didn't do so? Sort of like pleading the Fifth, isn't it?
A problem would be that his attorneys would need
watching, lest they interfere or remove things.
Another is that it would mean alerting Trump in
advance. If the FBI is seeking hidden stolen
documents, this would also give him time to
remove them.
So it strikes me as reasonable to conduct the
raid unannounced. This is what they do to ordinary
citizens.
Trump has a copy he can release.
But yes, this went though legal procedure and is/was a legal warrant. We already know as a fact that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House that were required by law to be turned over to the national archive. He was asked to turn over all documents that he illegally took. He returned some but not all documents, as required by law. So to recover the rest of the documents the justice department issued a warrant to recover them.
Do you respect the law? Do you understand that laws have authority in our society? Do you acknowledge that there are agencies that enforce laws and they are authorized to act under the law? Do you understand that breaking the law invites legal action?
Reporting I saw noted that some of the documents they were seeking and named in the search warrant was classified so could not be released to the public for security reasons. This only points to the necessity to recover the documents. If there is any dispute Trump can communicate through his lawyers.
Merrick Garland is to give a press conference at 2:30 eastern time on August 11 about the warrant. That's 30 minutes from my posting this.
The warrant is currently sealed. Trump’s attorney who was at Mar A Lago when the search was executed was not permitted to touch the warrant and was only allowed to see it from a distance before being ordered to leave the premises. There is no report President Trump has ever received a copy of the warrant nor do we know what requests he has made to get one. We do know that the FBI has not released it nor yet responded to requests from the judge about a motion for it to be unsealed and released.
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Not an excuse since a portion of agents could watch them too. (there was 30 of them)
Not an excuse either since attorneys could have been stripped off of mobile phones or pagers.
The warrant in subject to an order by the court that it not be released to the public.
Sounds like over-crowding.
This misses the point, ie, to notify Trump of an upcoming
raid looking for particular documents would give him the
opportunity to remove them before the raid.
Why give Trump consideration no other citizen would get?
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I understand that attorneys would enter into his house right after FBI, not that attorneys would be informed hours in advance and only then would FBI come.
To show some respect and dignity toward ex. US president.
Nothing is preventing Trump's attorneys
from entering after the raid. Serving the
warrant was formal notice of the raid.
I observe that he's been treated far better than
an ordinary citizen would've been if suspected
of the same crimes.
It's ironic that Trump wants dignity & respect,
yet he behaves otherwise to so very many.
I say the same of Bill Clinton, who also should've
been investigated & prosecuted.
Presidents behave badly because they know
they have impunity.
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I can't wait to see on what basis will FBI make Trump pay.
They better put him into jail or otherwise lose all credibility.
Do you have any rational reason to believe attorneys were not allowed to be present?
I asked if you had a rational reason. Surely the mere fact that Trump said something is not a rational reason to believe it is true.
metis
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A warrant is "legal" by definition. Now, whether it should be issued is another matter.
Nope. You still have not said why any reasonable person should believe it.
Post 39 gives a reason it should not have happened, I don’t know if that is a good reason or not. But before I think about whether or not it would be a good or bad thing, I need a reason to believe it happened.
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Are you saying Trump's attorney were in the house during raid?? and Trump is lying about that?