Hypothetically.....
If President tried to over-turn an election,
what would your opinion of this be?
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Great Patriots, Mostly Peaceful: Trump’s Promise to Free Jan. 6 Inmates in DC Jail — Almost All of Them Assaulted Law Enforcement Officers
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If President tried to over-turn an election,
what would your opinion of this be?
And how, exactly, do you think the Biden campaign managed to usurp the power of the Government? Donald Trump was President in 2020 -- right to the last day and beyond -- and all departments reported to his cabinet.
Have you managed to find yet another daft consipiracy theory, without even the possibility of being true?
(Edited -- even I'm not quite so stupid as to believe 1920. However, I am probably old enough to make that kind of flub.
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Pogo
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We're it only true!
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Yours is a dismal imagination, indeed. Either way, I appreciate your concern. What you fear will not come to pass. I will be OK.
I didn't say "universal healthcare," I said "free" universal healthcare.
Wandering Monk
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Society pays for health care one way or another, either directly or by absorbing medical bankruptcies. I think saving people's lives is better than letting them die bankrupt.
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Compulsion is moral?
"Free" as in "no user fee to receive service"?
Universal healthcare is generally taxpayer-funded and available to residents with no user fees. Is this what you're worried about?
There's compulsion in a private company saying "pay us $______ for your healthcare or we'll just let you die."
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Do I have a natural right to their services?
Their freedom to refuse their services is what creates the coercion and compulsion. It's an example of a market failure.
Nothing is ever "free," but like any other kind of necessity, it can be paid for either through premiums (insurance) or taxes. Most people would be financially ruined being responsible in a personal injury car accident -- but by buying insurance, we all protect ourselves. Everybody pays a little more so that nobody is ruined.
Healthcare is like that in Canada -- everybody pays taxes into healthcare, so that nobody pays anything when the unthinkable happens. I can assure you, Canadians would rise up in rage if anyone tried to take away our healthcare, even with its flaws.
Of the friends and family members I have who are military or former military, very few of them seemed to have any kind of "revolutionary" inkling. And even those who did would still follow their orders and uphold their oath to the Constitution. But a close friend of mine (who was a CB in Vietnam) did believe that revolution would be theoretically justified if the government ran afoul of the Constitution.
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Freedom to require payment for services creates coercion?
The choice between payment and death creates coercion.
If someone held a gun to your head and told you that if you don't buy their widget for $100,000 they're going to kill you, would you be making a free decision when you hand over the money?
There's that broad brush again. You just love wielding it, don't you?
I'm on the left, and I have always been concerned about anybody -- including police -- being assaulted.
I mean... they have to pay for their insurance too...Of the friends and family members I have who are military or former military, very few of them seemed to have any kind of "revolutionary" inkling. And even those who did would still follow their orders and uphold their oath to the Constitution. But a close friend of mine (who was a CB in Vietnam) did believe that revolution would be theoretically justified if the government ran afoul of the Constitution.
if there were free universal healthcare like in Britain, they would save lots of money, I think.
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
So medical providers are threatening people that if they don't buy their services, they'll kill them?
A more equivalent analogy seems necessary here. One, at least, that doesn't implicate medical providers as being responsible for a person's being on the verge of death.
I mean... they have to pay for their insurance too...
if there were free universal healthcare like in Britain, they would save lots of money, I think.
The US healthcare system definitely has a lot of problems. I agree that there should be free universal healthcare. I don't think that Trump or any of his supporters are thinking along those lines, though.
They remind me of this line from an episode of Star Trek: "What do Earth men offer you? What have you obtained from them in the past? Powders and liquids for the sick? We Klingons believe as you do. The sick should die. Only the strong should live. Earthmen have promised to teach the youth of your tribes many things. What? What things? Cleverness against enemies? The use of weapons?"
Actually, this mentality has been around for a long time, though it's only been within the past few years that people have finally started to realize the inherent dangers in the embrace of social Darwinism. Our country's healthcare policies are a perfect example of this mindset in operation.
Sounds like you're trying to make up a position for me based on your misunderstandings. Please go by what I'm actually saying.
I'm talking about the buyer's perspective. If a buyer's choice is between buying a product/service and death, the buyer is in a coerced position. The buyer is being compelled.
A patient in need of immediate life-saving care is in this coerced position at no fault of the doctor, but the doctor may still take advantage of the coercion by inflating their prices well beyond where they would be set by a free market in a willing seller/willing buyer arrangement. This is an example of a market failure.
Do you understand what I mean when I use the term "market failure"?
Market failure - Wikipedia
There may be, I don't care to find any; I only know what went on in my City; which a crowd ascended on a police station, boarded up all the doors and windows, and attempted to set the whole building on fire with cops inside. Of everybody involved with this, only 1 person served time SPD: Rioters tried to trap officers inside burning precinct using rebar and concrete
Insurrection AND Coup? Both the BLM riots and the Jan 06 riot were both insurrections (insurrection being an uprising against Governmental authority) But neither were a coup attempt.
Oh Stop trying to make this out to be more than it was. There was no attempt to take over the Government; they were practically unarmed and had no plan, and once they actually took over the capital building, what did they do? They wondered the halls, took a few selfies, and after less than 2 hours everybody left without further incident. If this were a coup, if this were an attempt to take over the government, they would have arrived armed to do battle with police, secured positions, provided a list of demands, and would have had to be overpowered by superior force. The only thing these fools wanted to do was to temporarily disrupt the election process, once they did that they were done, and they left allowing the election process to continue. Quit trying to make a mountain out of this mole hill.