Guilty By Association?

[ChristineES]

what are you talking about?
who's him?

Oh, forget it.

Just suffice it to say I don't hate anyone. I do my best to love all people, as Jesus commanded and not just because of that. Even before I became a Christian, I tried to love humankind. It is hard work, I tell you.

 

[Kathryn]

It's not even the person that did the bad thing that is being held responsible according to this logic. It is the doctrine. The doctrine made him do it. Nobody is directly responsible in this case -- but ALL Christians are indirectly responsible and ought to be treated as though they are directly responsible.

I see that as the same lame, attempt to transfer responsibilty from the action-taker to a third party as using "the devil made him do it" as an excuse or explanation for negative behavior. In this case, the dcotrine made him do it and you as a follower of the (doctrine/devil) are being demonized for it.

So what's the problem?

I agree - I think.

Are you saying that it's a cop out to blame "doctrine" rather than the individuals who do harmful/wrong things?

 

[Kathryn]

That was very well said.

When it's given a different name, like Lutheranism, Mormonism, Rastafari, etc. and holds very distinct theological views from tradition, I think it's fair to say that- to the extent the new religion is different- they needn't carry the baggage (though to the extent it is the same, they still do).

To expect the term "Christian" to not carry that baggage, though, is unreasonable. That's why movements are named; to distinguish them from the rest.

I deleted the rest of your post without even responding to it because it was so ridiculous.

But I will respond to this part.

I guess you don't have a problem then with atheists carrying the burden of guilt brought on by genocidal atheist regimes during the 20th century.

 

[ChristineES]

where is the love though?
love those who are like you, who believe as you...that is how it's laid out in the bible.

Sorry about my last reply. I was so tired I was reading the post before yours instead of reading what you quoted. My mistake.

I get dismayed when Christians show hatred instead of love. I wish it were different, in the case of those types. I am not going to do the old cop out by saying "they are not true Christians" like I used to. I also can't apologize for them. I can only say that Christians are supposed to love others, Christians aren't supposed to condemn others and they are not supposed to judge others.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Sorry about my last reply. I was so tired I was reading the post before yours instead of reading what you quoted. My mistake.

I get dismayed when Christians show hatred instead of love. I wish it were different, in the case of those types. I am not going to do the old cop out by saying "they are not true Christians" like I used to. I also can't apologize for them. I can only say that Christians are supposed to love others, Christians aren't supposed to condemn others and they are not supposed to judge others.

I love that about you, Christine. You love regardless of how others believe.

I will expand the scope of expecting Christians to love their neighbor to humanity doing that. However....I tend to find that people are people, flawed and mired in their own histories, biases, and utopian ideas. But keep on doing what you're doing, because you make an impact on people's lives in a great way.

 

[waitasec]

Oh, forget it.

Just suffice it to say I don't hate anyone. I do my best to love all people, as Jesus commanded and not just because of that. Even before I became a Christian, I tried to love humankind. It is hard work, I tell you.

i know you don't hate anyone BUT (and there's always a big but ) you chose to associate yourself with something that was was based on nothing other than racism in it's inception...

i think what UV said was spot on, why associate oneself with something questionable, my guess is that religion is so engrained into this society it's not even something the average person would consider, until of course they place their self in a position of being exposed to other peoples opinion on the matter

 

[waitasec]

Sorry about my last reply. I was so tired I was reading the post before yours instead of reading what you quoted. My mistake.

I get dismayed when Christians show hatred instead of love. I wish it were different, in the case of those types. I am not going to do the old cop out by saying "they are not true Christians" like I used to. I also can't apologize for them. I can only say that Christians are supposed to love others, Christians aren't supposed to condemn others and they are not supposed to judge others.

no worries...

i have one question.
what is a christian?
it's too vague of a concept/idea/principle/ these days

 

[4consideration]

I agree - I think.

Are you saying that it's a cop out to blame "doctrine" rather than the individuals who do harmful/wrong things?

Yes, I am. Unspecified "Christian doctrine" in general was used to link someone else's behavior to all Christians -- and Christine was on the receiving end of it.

 

[waitasec]

I deleted the rest of your post without even responding to it because it was so ridiculous.

But I will respond to this part.

I guess you don't have a problem then with atheists carrying the burden of guilt brought on by genocidal atheist regimes during the 20th century.

what is the atheists doctrine

 

[Kathryn]

what is the atheists doctrine

What is Christian doctrine?

 

[waitasec]

What is Christian doctrine?

exactly...what is it?

 

[Kathryn]

exactly...what is it?

You're the one who is OK judging people based on this doctrine - so you must have a definition for it. Cough it up!

 

[waitasec]

You're the one who is OK judging people based on this doctrine - so you must have a definition for it. Cough it up!

christianity is associated with racism in it's inception...yes? :yes:

 

[Kathryn]

What's your definition of Christianity, waitasec? Surely you have one, since you're so judgmental of Christians.

 

[waitasec]

That's your opinion, which is not borne out by NT facts or doctrine.

doctrine is an opinion nonetheless.


and christianity was birthed from judaism...the jewish revolt, temple destroyed
and the rest is HISTORY
with the likes of constantine and
king charlemagne christianity will forever be stained with the blood of innocent people.

 

[waitasec]

What's your definition of Christianity, waitasec? Surely you have one, since you're so judgmental of Christians.

christianity is a lot of things
one is a justification for good and bad behavior practically speaking

 

[Kathryn]

christianity is a lot of things
one is a justification for good and bad behavior practically speaking

You're not answering the question, but that's OK. I didn't expect you to.

 

[waitasec]

You're not answering the question, but that's OK. I didn't expect you to.

i sure did hun,
i picked justification for good and bad behavior

 

[Kathryn]

i sure did hun,
i picked justification for good and bad behavior

OH - that's your definition for Christianity?

OK.

That's the definition for any code of ethics. And we've all got one of those, whether we admit it or not.

 

[waitasec]

OH - that's your definition for Christianity?

OK.

That's the definition for any code of ethics. And we've all got one of those, whether we admit it or not.

right.
so really, from my POV, christianity goes where ever the wind blows.