Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
So, you're OK with judging individuals by your own definition of Christianity - not their definition.
Hm.
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Guilty By Association?
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So, you're OK with judging individuals by your own definition of Christianity - not their definition.
Hm.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Blaming a Christian for events that particular person had no hand in, and may even condemn, is no different than any other gross over-generalization and association fallacy.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Right on. I'd frubal you but I've given away so many frubals in the past 24 hours that I'm cut off.
waitasec
Veteran Member
no, i judge individuals by what they do...
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Sorry, but I can't continue a conversation with you. I'm seriously getting a headache.
waitasec
Veteran Member
who blaming anyone for anything...?
we are talking about associating one self to something that is negative
waitasec
Veteran Member
you asked me to define christianity...not christians.
do you want me to define christians...that would be impossible, wouldn't you say?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I said - I'm getting a headache trying to discuss this with you.
The big problem is that I don't see Christianity as negative. You see it as negative. Jesus commands are pretty straight forward and none of them are about hatred.
waitasec
Veteran Member
that is besides the point though.
christianity is associated with negative ideals, that is undeniable.
and there is no way of determining if what he said is actually what he said, but that is another subject.
waitasec
Veteran Member
It sounds like to me (you can correct me if I'm wrong) that you are saying, is that because some Christians don't follow Jesus' commands or just choose the ones they want to follow, then I shouldn't be a Christian. There are no negative ideals in any of Jesus' commands- I don't see how loving God and your neighbor, giving to charity, helping those who need your help, forgiving people, and showing mercy can be negative ideals.
You have to separate Christianity from the people who follow it. You are judging by what some Christians do rather than what the doctrine of Jesus actually is.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
There are positives and negatives in every association.
Guilt by association is a logical fallacy.
The pope gave an apology for the sins of his predecessors. It seemed like he wasn't blaming the church, as predecessors refers to men preceeding him. It is like woops, they made a mistake, but my clothes are as white as snow.
The Pope and his apology for the Inquisition
Of course I blame the Roman church, which is based on false foundations, and is a daughter of Babylon, but what is more important, is that Rev 18:4 says, God will hold any accountable that hold to the doctrines of the church, and do not "come out of her". An apology is not what is needed, one must repent, which means a change in direction (Rev 2:5). If the church won't change, then the indivduals need to leave. Of course, the Protestant churches are simply daughters of the Roman church, and in general, heed basically the same man made doctrines.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i see what you mean,
but it isn't blaming anyone now is it...
it's about associating yourself with something that is questionable...personally if i find out that i am associated with something negative...i disassociate myself from it. and in all fairness, that isn't a very easy thing to do sometimes.
waitasec
Veteran Member
there is no way to confirm what jesus commanded...
you seem to be cherry picking christianity. christianity is associated with elitism, favoritism and control.
Then you'd have to disassociate from everything, since there is always someone who will find it negative.
waitasec
Veteran Member
lets change this from christianity to something else and we'll compare the 2.
should i disassociate myself from musicians?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
OK my headache is gone.
I love New Orleans Saints football. But wait - there was some sort of scandal recently! Does this mean I am an unethical person by association? Does this mean that I should not support the team of my hometown? Do I have to change my dog's name? (His name is WhoDat.) Do I need to get rid of the fleur di lis all over my house, and my football season clothing, and burn my New Orleans Saints flag that I put out during football season?
Am I guilty by association? Or do I simply love what's good and fun and wholesome about New Orleans Saints football?
(Answer - it's option #2.)