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Hamas must be eradicated

Yerda

Veteran Member
Or it points to hypocrisy of Israel's
policy of total extermination.
I don't believe that is the policy.

If one government is monstrous, does that green light others?
If so, than you just gave permission to Hamas to attack Israel.
Of course not. Just that we shouldn't compare a country to the nazis when they do what every other country does in similar situations.

For the record I want Israel to stop killing Palestinians. I want Hamas to stop killing Israelis. I want peace and cooperation and solidarity based upon our recognition of the dignity in other human being. I might as well sing loves songs to the moon for all wanting these things will get me, but I still want them.

"Full-psycho" is doing the same thing over & over
for 70 years, & expecting a different result each time.
Israel should win peace, but they won't achieve it
by oppression & mass murder of Palestinians.
The cynic in me suspects it gets exactly the result they want. A never ending enemy to fight and continued re-election for warmongering luncatics.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't believe that is the policy.
This is indeed "Final Solution" rhetoric.
Of course not. Just that we shouldn't compare a country to the nazis when they do what every other country does in similar situations.
I compare the 2 regimes shared idea,
ie, wipe out the enemy. This is not
to equate the 2 countries.
For the record I want Israel to stop killing Palestinians. I want Hamas to stop killing Israelis. I want peace and cooperation and solidarity based upon our recognition of the dignity in other human being. I might as well sing loves songs to the moon for all wanting these things will get me, but I still want them.
Israel does most of the killing, & all of the oppression
& land theft. Peace requires that this end. It's absurd
to expect Palestinians to make the first move, as Israel
radicalizes Palestinian youths by killing & maiming so
very many of them. Israel by its acts, created Hamas.
The cynic in me suspects it gets exactly the result they want. A never ending enemy to fight and continued re-election for warmongering luncatics.
Israel is in the driver's seat.
It's killing far more Palestinians than Hamas killed.
This will heighten hostilities, & ensure enduring violence.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Well to be blunt I don't really try to remember too much history because it is water under the bridge gone by and can't affect the present .
We hardly became free after it though, given that the monarchy was restored after Cromwell died.
 

jes-us

Active Member
We hardly became free after it though, given that the monarchy was restored after Cromwell died.
Well I have quizzed the Royal page on Facebook and they claim the Royals have nothing to do with running Britain . However , I think the lords and Royals are just sitting back , presenting the gov as escape goats so the Royals save grace ,
However , this thread isn't about the Royals so can we end it here please .
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
They didn't have the power to. But if you gave any of those guys who paraglided in a nuclear trigger, my guess is that they'd all use it without compunction.
I have no doubt. Those people by majority have been living under apartheid and oppression the majority of their lives. That is what makes the situation so dangerous. Abusing people for so long will turn human beings into monsters.

What is sick, is israel is ruining the integrity of Judaism and Jews because of the apartheid, oppression and illegal occupation.
Israel on the hand, probably has nukes but doesn't use them.

Israel has had nuke since the 60's. Dimona is perhaps the first atrocity that israel has done against US.

Any use of nukes over a population will unfold a MAD problem. "We the people" will survive, israel will not.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Or it points to hypocrisy of Israel's
policy of total extermination.
hahaha. I guess Israel is just really bad at committing genocide? The population in the Gaza strip continues to GROW at an alarming rate. Even if everything was wonderful in the region, such population growth in such a small area is unsustainable.
 

setarcos

The hopeful or the hopeless?
The genocide that israel is attempting is no better than ww2 germans
Genocide Israel is attempting? As far as I can see Israel is attempting to eradicate an evil and inhumane ideology that is more interested in eliminating Jews than in helping to lift up the Palestinian people. Perceived necessary aggression in order to improve the situation for ones own people is one thing but unnecessarily inflicting inhumane torture, rape, and abuse on innocent civilians and disarmed/defeated soldiers is quite another thing. To lose ones humanity in order to gain some victory is a pyrrhic victory not worth the trade off.
A society won and governed with inhumane tactics will always be progressively subordinate to one governed humanely. Do you think a person who revels in the killing of another human beings death, rape, or torture a normal human being? One that could suddenly turn from those horrors into that sweet productive citizen of society after all enemies have been done away with in such ways? I would say that's not psychologically possible. I'd say aggression can be justified in certain cases but any society that justifies aggression in that way are little more than animals without honor, and basic human decency.
Address the problem. Trying to genocide palestinians is a lost to mankind.
Israel didn't start this war. Israel's stated goals are not to genocide the Palestinians but eliminate a hated ideology embodied in the terrorist organization of Hamas. Hama's stated goals however are to eliminate Jews in general. Not a particular evil ideology.
To eliminate a people because they are a particular people is wrong because there isn't a society on earth that hasn't produced good and bad people. But there are evil ideologies and bad people that accept them and those are what must be eliminated.
The idea is actually rude.

What hamas did was wrong but there is no genocide to occur
Wrong? They didn't just pop over and commit a petty crime. Any justification for their aggression was lost with the way they, chose or perversely thought was good, to act out their aggressions.
If humanity is to retain any semblance of what is moral, productive, and ascendant in the species it must eliminate or somehow contain that kind of rotten fruit producing ideology.
I've noticed that in the current protests here in the U.S. I've yet to see any pro-Palestinians actually name Hamas and their initial actions as condemnable even if only while condemning what they perceive as Israel's unwarranted response. You can't condemn one without condemnation of the other if your using a common baseline of judgement of what is inhumane.
Where's the condemnation of Hamas for using Palestinians as human shields? Where's the condemnation of Hamas for doing all they can to ensure civilian casualties during their war? Its a dishonorable and sickening tactic.
Personally I'd rather lose a war with my honor and humanity intact rather than win one by sacrificing both those things and at the expense of the very people you feign to be defending and helping.
 
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setarcos

The hopeful or the hopeless?
"Hamas exist because of Israel's oppression"
I beg to differ. A peoples response to oppression in no way makes it inevitable that a sick ideology has to arise.
Jews have been a historically oppressed people as well. I've yet to see Jews collectively as a people overtly promote and publicly revel in the sick tactics that Hamas used to start this current war.
Perhaps, how a people respond to their oppressions is ingrained in who they are as a people?
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
I beg to differ. A peoples response to oppression in no way makes it inevitable that a sick ideology has to arise.
Jews have been a historically oppressed people as well. I've yet to see Jews collectively as a people overtly promote and publicly revel in the sick tactics that Hamas used to start this current war.
Perhaps, how a people respond to their oppressions is ingrained in who they are as a people?

You're right, all Palestinians are evil. Wipe them out!
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
You seem to think Israel does no wrong
Wow, that's a whopper! You managed to try to put in my mouth (very inaccurately), AND you tried to turn it into an either / or, false choice, all in 7 short words.

Way to contribute thoughtfulness to the thread.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Take no prisoners it appears.
Excerpted....
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, hours after forming an emergency government and wartime cabinet, foreshadowed a major ground attack on Gaza by promising to destroy Hamas.
“Every Hamas terrorist is a dead man,” Netanyahu said at a late-night briefing, flanked by Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Benny Gantz, the leader of an opposition party.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Take no prisoners it appears.
Excerpted....
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, hours after forming an emergency government and wartime cabinet, foreshadowed a major ground attack on Gaza by promising to destroy Hamas.
“Every Hamas terrorist is a dead man,” Netanyahu said at a late-night briefing, flanked by Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Benny Gantz, the leader of an opposition party.

Consistent with the OP. But I do think the world would be better off, if an international force took care of Hamas. And as I said in the OP, life in prison for everyone in Hamas seems right to me.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Genocide Israel is attempting? As far as I can see Israel is attempting to eradicate an evil and inhumane ideology that is more interested in eliminating Jews than in helping to lift up the Palestinian people.
Everyone can agree that what HAMAS did was/is wrong.


But that does not mean remove palestinians from palestine (genocide/apartheid).



The part that sickens me, is Jews all over the world are not just against israel's actions but are being condemned for what israel is doing just because israel claims to be a jewish state.
 
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