Laniakea
Not of this world
They wouldn't be in prison otherwise.
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MayPeaceBeUpOnYou
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So then the Zionist are taking hostages then, not prisoners?They wouldn't be in prison otherwise.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Except 10-7 ended any chance for that. Plus, it should be clear by now that Hamas has been more than willing to have their own people sacrificed. They knew what they were doing on 10-7 and generally how Israel would react, and yet they were more than willing to basically sacrifice their own people anyway and they are still fighting. They could surrender, but they haven't as more of their people die.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
England made peace with those who nearly assassinated their Prime Minister. What's Israel's excuse?
If Hamas agreed to give up destroying Israel, denounced Iran, renounced violence including disarming, removed the antisemitic content of school books, returned the hostages and agreed that any who committed actual crimes would surrender, there'd be a great basis for negotiation.
I am, of course, not holding my breath.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Israel is probably going to have to leave Hamas behind. They don't want peace then they are not welcome to the table. That's for people who want to put down their weapons and pick up tools to build a better future for both people.
Israel needs to send bread instead of bombs amd get the Palestinians on their side. But that's not possible for the foreseeable future. They have destroyed that and further destroying everyday the IDF keeps killing innocent Palestinians.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Laniakea
Not of this world
They've been sending bread. Remember that floating pier that's meant to bring in aid? Remember the air-drops of food? If Hamas wasn't stealing it and using it as leverage against their own people, their people would be fed.
Instead, Hamas is still using their time to build rockets to shoot as Israel. Oh, and getting Hezbollah to help.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, the brutal assault by Hamas on innocent civilians is acceptable because the Brits didn't respond with war when one man of theirs barely survived? And what about the fact that Hamas is still fighting escapes you? If your family was assaulted and still being attacked, would you use "logic" like that?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It ain't gonna to happen because you are misreading Hamas' and Iran's intent. Why do you continue to blame Israel when all Hamas has to do is to surrender and the fighting stops, but they see this as being a holy war based on the Hadith mandate? It really is that simple.
Anyhow, have a good weekend as I'm outta here shortly.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Brother, let's be fair. As brutal as October 7th was, how do you compare it to the thousands of babies and old folks (Palestinians) that have been killed by bombs mostly paid for by our taxes?
Simply referring to the atrocities of October 7th can only go so far.
What would Jesus do?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Because it's a war the Hamas intentionally calculated and started and is still fighting and, as oft said, "War is Hell!". No country fights a war saying: "They killed 100 of ours so we'll just kill 100 of them". And, to repeat, Hamas is still fighting and had still been sending rockets into Israel up to about 3 weeks ago. Seems that you just want Israel to roll over and play dead-- and they would be dead in masses if they followed your position.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
A shocking response from you, IMHO.
But Ok, I see where you are coming from (seems like a very dark place but I don't really know you). I hope you realize that it is impossible to bomb Hamas out of existence, as the IDF has already admitted? When to stop the bloodshed?
What would Jesus do? Seriously. Be well.
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou
Active Member
There are Palestinians in prison without getting a trail. Their imprisonment can be extended every 6 months without any evidence in the name of security reasons. I would call that hostages, are you?What are hostages convicted of?
Seriously man, keep up with what you say.
Before there were calls to destroy Israel, before allying with Iran,
before there was violence against Israel to renounce, & before
school books were anti-Semitic, before there were hostages,
Israel began the Nakba.
Would ending all resistance & retaliation against Israel change
anything? Or just ease Isreal's oppression of Palestinians?
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True but the idea Kriegsraeson geht vor Kriegsmanier –. “necessity in war overrules the manner of warfare” can lead to war crimes.
https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/D...f War Manual - June 2015 Updated Dec 2016.pdf
2.2.2 Necessity and Law of War Rules.
2.2.2.1 Military Necessity Does Not Justify Actions Prohibited by the Law of War. Military necessity does not justify actions that are prohibited by the law of war. - page 53
So it is a valid question whether some of Israel's tactics violate the "law of war". I have no opinion on that since I don't have enough facts to justify a considered opinion. But it is a valid question.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
And the Lord has spoken and the Lord has come to the Lord and the Lord’s And the Lord shall be laid up from your work and the Lord shall be forthright.
What verse is that? "Lord has come to the Lord and the lord's". Is more intriguing than average (usual) imho.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I am not misreading their intentions. However I do recognize Israel is the major power player and have provoked Palestinian hatred due to certain programs and initiatives (like deliberately economically supressing them).
Israel must work with the Palestinian to show they are willing to cooperate and work towards peace. But with Netanyahu having talks of shipping Gazans to Africa it is clear that peace is not the goal as such a move will only create a diaspora with stolen homeland and revenge on their mind.
Laniakea
Not of this world
If you want to know what Jesus would (will) do against those who hate Israel, read the book of Revelation.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
One word: "Tragedy"
Need to be wiped out? I'm not a monster.
1) Palestine needs to be demilitarized and secured. Then Israel will need to secure Palestine, for the Palestinian people. That means, no one will be able to import weapons. No one will be able to dig tunnels. No one will be able to make bunkers. No one will be able to manufacture rockets. IDF will be on the streets. It will be virtually impossible to dig tunnels and amass weapons without discovery. When this happens, the import embargo can cease. That is a huge improvement in the quality of life for Palestinians. And, it can happen rather quickly once the region is secured.
The effect this will have on recruitment and radicalization of Palestinian terrorists is important. The Palestinian people are desperate. The Palestinian resistance movement keeps the Palestinians in a constant state of thirst, hunger, desperation, and anger. They, the Palestinian resistance, are awful to the Palestinians. The easiest way to understand it, is, like an American mafia crime syndicate. The Palestinian resistance are like mobsters, gangsters, thugs, terrorists. They won't even give the Palestinians water. Why? So they can blame Israel, of course. They won't feed them. They won't give them proper roads. The won't give them opportunities for earning a living outside of working for the abolition of Israel. That is the only path towards upwards social mobility. Once the region is secured, goods and services can return to Gaza. People will have a better life. A much better life. And that better life can start rather quickly once the streets are safe, and weapons cannot be gathered and scattered all over their cities. A better life for the Palestinian people requires Israel taking over for their security. Happy and safe Palestinians will not become terrorists. They won't be desperate. They'll have access to resources which the Palestinian resistance denies them.
2) The Palestinian education of their children needs to be over-hauled. This cannot be overstated. It is the root cause of the conflict in the Middle East. The Palestinian resistance movement are breeding human monsters in their schools. They are infecting the Palestinian children some of the most toxic hateful and dangerous ideas the world has ever seen. Not all children are susceptible to the it, but, about 10% of the children exposed to their "education" ( UNRWA schools ) become terrorists: Death craving martyrs whose religion compels them to inflict as much damage as they can to the Zionists. Once the schools are gone, the teachers ( who are soldiers in the Palestinian resistance ) are removed and the curriculum modernizes in the way that the UAE is modernizing, in the way the Saudi Arabia is modernizing, in the way many of the other Arab nations are modernizing, the number of terrorists drastically decreases.
3) Palestine needs to be a safe place for political moderates. The Palestinian resistance movement are, like I wrote above, like a mafia crime family. They are "the Mob". There is no place for political moderates among them. They will kill you on suspicion of being a moderate. They'll kill you and hang you on a pole for everyone to see. No trial. They just kill you if there is a single whisper of moderation. That cannot be tolerated. Gay people. Trans folk. Any one or any thing which would permit "westernization" must be stomped out, according to the Palestinian resistance movement. They pretend to be social activists, populists, partnering with with political left wing of the western world, but, take a look at what they do in the Middle East to their citizens. There is no freedom of speech, let alone freedom of choice. Do you think they will allow a woman to choose what to do with her body? What do think would happen if a coupe gay dudes walk down the street together holding hands? Trans people? Go back into hiding. Or else you're dead. <--- That's the Palestinian resistance movement: the darling of the liberal elite and their minions. Y'all took the bait: hook, line and sinker. The Palestinian resistance are not friendly to the western progressive ideals, values and principles. They are violent, regressive, thugs.
Once there is a safe place for political moderates in Palestine, then, and only then, they can have stable self-governance, and not one second before. These religious radical lunatics will never, NEVER, be able to create a stable government for themselves. It will always be a pendulum swinging from one violent overthrow to the next with the Palestinian people stuck in the middle dodging bullets and simply trying to stay alive. With stable moderates in charge, the Palestinian terrorist will not need to resist anymore. They have won. They have their country. They have their respect. They can be proud. They survived and they have the opportunity to thrive. <---- That, is the end of Palestinian terrorism.
Make sense?
They're wrong. And they're not the only ones working towards a long term solution.
Not if the region is demilitarized. Not if the region is secured. Not if the Palestinian people regain access to food, water, resources, and most important opportunity for upward social mobility. Please remember? Conflict is a social problem. Sociology. Social mobility, Social stability, opportunity, these are the things which have been stolen from the Palestinian people by their own people. Israel can return these things, which have been taken from them. That's the end of the war. Everyone is a winner.
Well.
First, a two state solution is exactly what Israel is working on and has been working on ever since the Palestinian people started their unjust war approx. 100 years ago. The Palestinian resistance movement has been rewriting history ( from the UNRWA schools ) and exploiting the common modern western mind's cravings for instant access to compelling "news" from the region. ( "news" is in quotes, because it's rubbish ). A Two-State solution is exactly what's happening, right now, but the Palestinian resistance movement is hiding it and denying it. Did you know that Netanyahu offered a cease fire agreement if the Palestinian resistance movement would acknowledge that the State of Israel exists? That was the last cease fire agreement. The Palestinian resistance movement, are the ones opposed to a Two-State solution. Israel is for it. Israel has always been for it. "Will you live peacefully with us? Yes? The absolutely have your state. Definitely. Will you stop firing rockets at us? Will you at least admit that we have the right to exist?" The Palestinian resistance says "NO. Israel does not exist, we will push you into the sea. NO Two-State solution." <---- That is the Palestinian resistance movement. Israel wants Peace. That's all. Two-States? Absolutely.
Second. Thank God. Nuclear weapons are very likely not going to be a viable option for the enemies of Israel. It's because Israel is tiny.
Being small, sometimes has great advantages. The enemies of Israel cannot deploy nuclear weapons without doing great damage the the rest of the Arab neighbors which are surrounding them. Besides, the enemies of Israel, let's be honest, they hate Jews. Nuclear weapons won't and can;t wipe us out. That's what they want. They want to exterminate us. Thank you, God, we are scattered. They can't kill us all. We Jews will survive and thrive just as we always have. Those who want to kill us, will have to hunt us down. Nuclear weapons are not ... um ... attractive to them. it won't get the job done.If Iran and Russia and China want to work together to assert themselves in the world via their nuclear and petroleum resources and ambitions, it has nothing to do with Israel. They're going to do it anyway.
Believe it or not, the intention is not to kill the civilians. But from a distance, lacking military training and/or experience working in protections, I can understand the false conclusion that many are coming to.
The civilians, I hate to say it, are martyrs. The Palestinian thugs are right about that. It's painful. But, I will mourn for them later. After the war. Right now, the most important thing is this: finish the job. If the war is not completed, each and every innocent civilian who as sacrificed their life, the sacrifice of their family and loved ones will be in vain. NO! No more. This needs to be finished.
Am Yisorel Chai.