metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, are you saying that you know that Israel has been targeting them?
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Hamas vs. Israel, a thought experiment
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In the same way Uncle Sam targeted Taliban members.
The approval by the UN in 1947/8 for Israel to be created from the former Palestine also included a separate country for the Palestinian Semites. The Zionists, however, have not complied with that original plan and continue to control the Palestinian land and allow their members to build settlements on the Palestinian land, and to gradually take it over and to force the Palestinians into concentration camps like Gaza. No wonder Hamas formed in 1987, after the PLO was unsuccessful in trying to enforce the UN agreement for two separate countries which was ignored by the Zionists.
Way to skip over the reason why that original plan went belly up, or any of the subsequent wars and offers of a two state solution. But hey, at this point why let the facts get in your way?
If the Zionists had abided by the original UN agreement then Hamas wouldn't have been formed in 1987 after the Zionists started to steal the land of the Palestinian Semites in 1967 and transfer the Palestinians to concentration camps.
The Palestinians rejected the UN's plan. Did you not know that? It led to a war. Did you also not know that?
So why have the Zionists built settlements for their immigrants on the Palestinian land after they made an interim agreement with the PLO?
Or can't the Zionists be trusted?
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what a silly statement / argument -- So what if the Palestinians rejected one of the many stupid plans put forward over the years .. "Led to War" another nonsense statement .. this blood fued has been going on for 70 years .. and the Palestinians did accept Israel's right to exist and one of more recent peace plans.
"Did you not know that" -- What tells me that there is a whole lot that the author of the statement doesn't know about the situation .. and next to nothing outside the state sponsored propaganda pablum would be my guess.
What do you think about arming Ukraine against a much bigger foreign Occupier .. should we not do the same for the Palestinians .. against a much bigger occupier ? Puts some borders down .. establish a separate state .. aye Friend .. surely you have heard of the 2 state solution... May see that comming out of this skirmish .. be a good think wouldn't you say
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Bless your heart.
I’m not able to address questions with involved answers this week.If I asked you a specific question, would you answer?
I doubt it.
I would like to know what you think of what was done during the Obama administration in the Mediterranean area.
Do you think it was good?
Do you think the US sided with the good guys?
You can't analyze a minuscule strip of land in the Mediterranean, without analyzing and understanding the geopolitical context of what the Obama administration did.
There was a before and after Obama. It was a complete destabilization.
The Mediterranean area was completely destabilized, because certain countries became more and more radical and intransigent (just think of Turkey, a NATO member, go figure).
And Hamas as well, was empowered, thanks to what the Gulf countries were allowed to do with their billions.
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I'm against Israeli settlements on Palestinian land in the West Bank. There are no settlements in Gaza where Hamas is in power.
None of that justifies the term "genocide" nor does it make any more sense out of your excuse that "Israel should just accept the 1947 boundaries."
Why shouldn't the Zionists accept the boundaries in the UN agreement, in the same way that the Yanks should have accepted the Geneva agreement in 1954 and avoided the total fiasco and needing to build a memorial wall after they supported the French colonialists against the Vietnamese and then a corrupt police regime?
Then the person I was replying to shouldn't have brought it up.
Why aren't you replying to them?They did not accept the 47 plan, which is what I replied to. They have rejected multiple offers for a two state solution.
As opposed to....who, you?
Couple things: 1) Israel is surrounded by enemies who hate them. Hamas is supported by Iran, who is supported by Russia, one of the world's powers. We can go down the list of the other regional powers if you like: Hezbollah in Lebanon, Syria, and so on. And of course we don't need to recount the centuries' long history of people around the world hating and persecuting Jews. 2) Ukraine, if you want to compare the situations, has come out in strong support of Israel and condemned the attack by Hamas. Russia, on the other hand, has been quiet. It was Hamas who invaded Israeli territory that ignited this round of war. So IMHO the US should be supporting both Ukraine's and Israel's rights to defend themselves - which we are doing.
Puts some borders down .. establish a separate state .. aye Friend .. surely you have heard of the 2 state solution... May see that comming out of this skirmish .. be a good think wouldn't you say
I am a fan of a two state solution. So are most Israelis. You know who isn't? Hamas.
Why would they accept terms the other side doesn't? The express goal of Hamas is to exterminate Jews and replace Israel with an Islamist caliphate. Is that what you want?
The Zionists should have supported the original UN agreement in 1947, and Hamas wouldn't have been formed in 1987.
what a silly statement / argument -- So what if the Palestinians rejected one of the many stupid plans put forward over the years .. "Led to War" another nonsense statement .. this blood fued has been going on for 70 years .. and the Palestinians did accept Israel's right to exist and one of more recent peace plans.
"Did you not know that" -- What tells me that there is a whole lot that the author of the statement doesn't know about the situation .. and next to nothing outside the state sponsored propaganda pablum would be my guess.
What do you think about arming Ukraine against a much bigger foreign Occupier .. should we not do the same for the Palestinians .. against a much bigger occupier ? Puts some borders down .. establish a separate state .. aye Friend .. surely you have heard of the 2 state solution... May see that comming out of this skirmish .. be a good think wouldn't you say
hay hay hayThen the person I was replying to shouldn't have brought it up.
They did not accept the 47 plan, which is what I replied to. They have rejected multiple offers for a two state solution.
As opposed to....who, you?
Couple things: 1) Israel is surrounded by enemies who hate them. Hamas is supported by Iran, who is supported by Russia, one of the world's powers. We can go down the list of the other regional powers if you like: Hezbollah in Lebanon, Syria, and so on. And of course we don't need to recount the centuries' long history of people around the world hating and persecuting Jews. 2) Ukraine, if you want to compare the situations, has come out in strong support of Israel and condemned the attack by Hamas. Russia, on the other hand, has been quiet. It was Hamas who invaded Israeli territory that ignited this round of war. So IMHO the US should be supporting both Ukraine's and Israel's rights to defend themselves - which we are doing.
I am a fan of a two state solution. So are most Israelis. You know who isn't? Hamas.
Don't care a wit about Hamas - they don't justify continuous war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinians over decades .. Hamas is not even in control of the Occupied Territories
Got an Occupier . and the Occupied -- and Israel being surrounded by enemies .. would not be the case would they not be committing heinous atrocity on fellow Muslim people in a land full of Muslims ..
Regardless .. we should be supporting the Palestinians like we do Ukraine .. those fighting the illegal occupation. in search of that Two State Solution you are a fan of ..and many Israelis .. just not the current leadership .. but Supporting the Palestinians like we do Ukraine would make the Bibi Zionist religious extremist cabal think twice.
They did support it. The Palestinians didn't.
Then you shouldn't be in the conversation, because they're relevant to it.
They literally just murdered over 1,000 Israelis in cold blood. Raped women in the street. Decapitated babies. What in the world are you talking about?
Hamas is in control of Gaza. Has been since 2006.
You don't know what you're talking about. When you inform yourself a bit more, let me know.
That's the Zionist's choice if they don't want a friendly relationship with the neighboring countries, and just want their land to house their immigrants.