Hamas vs. Israel, a thought experiment

[Estro Felino]

That's the Zionist's choice if they don't want a friendly relationship with the neighboring countries, and just want their land to house their immigrants.

I underline that those who finance fundamentalism and terrorism are to be found in those countries of the Gulf.
Those incredibly wealthy states...
the destructive force that annihilated Libya came from that spot.
You know...it deals with countries where women are treated like property.
Do you think the US should support and side with those countries?

 

[Left Coast]

That's the Zionist's choice if they don't want a friendly relationship with the neighboring countries, and just want their land to house their immigrants.

LMAO. Turns out, it's tough to have a friendly relationship with people who want to wipe you off the map.



Does the Western Left think this asinine reasoning is a winning strategy to gain more public support? What insanity.

 

[Estro Felino]

LMAO. Turns out, it's tough to have a friendly relationship with people who want to wipe you off the map.



Does the Western Left think this asinine reasoning is a winning strategy to gain more public support? What insanity.

Well...the fundamentalists have been merciless and intolerant towards Libyans...who profess the same religion as them.
Imagine if they can be tolerant towards Israelis.

 

[Monty]

I underline that those who finance fundamentalism and terrorism are to be found in those countries of the Gulf.
Those incredibly wealthy states...
the destructive force that annihilated Libya came from that spot.
You know...it deals with countries where women are treated like property.
Do you think the US should support and side with those countries?

If the refugees on the MS "St Louis" and the other refugees had been accepted, then the Zionists wouldn't have stolen the land of the Palestinian Semites, and Hamas wouldn't have formed in 1987.

 

[Estro Felino]

If the refugees on the MS "St Louis" and the other refugees had been accepted, then the Zionists wouldn't have stolen the land of the Palestinian Semites, and Hamas wouldn't have formed in 1987.

I am speaking of today.

 

[Monty]

I am speaking of today.

The theft of the land belonging to the Palestinian Semites since 1947 to house refugee immigrants, however, will not be forgotten. If I was an Israeli, I'd migrate.

 

[Estro Felino]

The theft of the land belonging to the Palestinian Semites since 1947 to house refugee immigrants, however, will not be forgotten. If I was an Israeli, I'd migrate.

Do you have any idea of how many new states were created in Europe throughout the 20th century?
There have been some conflicts here and there, but now there is peace and coexistence.

 

[InChrist]

The theft of the land belonging to the Palestinian Semites since 1947 to house refugee immigrants, however, will not be forgotten. If I was an Israeli, I'd migrate.

There was no theft of any land, it has historically always belonged to the people of Israel.


“Israel is an occupier!” “Israel is an apartheid country!’ “Israel is a colonizer!” “The Zionist regime stole land from the Palestinians!” Over the last few decades, we’ve heard it all. The world has incessantly painted a very negative picture of Israel, imposing a reputation on the only Jewish state in the world that many people have now come to hate. It’s not based on facts, but it continues to be spread.”

“How could Hamas accuse Israel of occupation when there are no Jews in the Gaza Strip? Hamas governs the Strip and has since 2005, after Israel unilaterally disengaged from the area. After the legislative elections of 2006, Hamas became the ruling party and has been ever since, with no new election in 17 years. The Gaza Strip is 100% Palestinian-ruled and not under “occupation”.


“Incidentally, the whole land of Eretz Yisrael is Jewish land and has been for about 4,000 years. For those who care to learn history and learn from it, a timeline of the history of the Land of Israel can be beneficial. Here are just a few of the many markers on this critical timeline. Palestine is never mentioned in any of these Bible passages or anywhere in the Bible, for that matter. Jewish presence in the land has been uninterrupted for about 4,000 years…”


“So, the Land has always been a Jewish land if one is to believe the Bible. Yet, for some who do not believe in God or do not hold the Bible as inspired and without error (in the original manuscripts), we must include the modern-day confirmations of 1917 with the Balfour Declaration, the 1920 San Remo Conference, and the United Nations November 17, 1947 vote of Israel as the modern Jewish state, leading to the Declaration of Independence on May 14, 1948.”

Obsessed With Destroying The Jews: The Ultimate Enemy Of Israel Is Satan

This had nothing to do with the land, it was a pogrom. The goal is the murder of all Jewish people, not just in Gaza but the whole world. Let’s face our new reality. It is open season on the Jewish people again!

harbingersdaily.com

 

[Monty]

There was no theft of any land, it has historically always belonged to the people of Israel.


“Israel is an occupier!” “Israel is an apartheid country!’ “Israel is a colonizer!” “The Zionist regime stole land from the Palestinians!” Over the last few decades, we’ve heard it all. The world has incessantly painted a very negative picture of Israel, imposing a reputation on the only Jewish state in the world that many people have now come to hate. It’s not based on facts, but it continues to be spread.”

“How could Hamas accuse Israel of occupation when there are no Jews in the Gaza Strip? Hamas governs the Strip and has since 2005, after Israel unilaterally disengaged from the area. After the legislative elections of 2006, Hamas became the ruling party and has been ever since, with no new election in 17 years. The Gaza Strip is 100% Palestinian-ruled and not under “occupation”.

Why have the Zionist immigrants stolen the land belonging to Palestinian Semites on the West Bank?

“Incidentally, the whole land of Eretz Yisrael is Jewish land and has been for about 4,000 years. For those who care to learn history and learn from it, a timeline of the history of the Land of Israel can be beneficial. Here are just a few of the many markers on this critical timeline. Palestine is never mentioned in any of these Bible passages or anywhere in the Bible, for that matter. Jewish presence in the land has been uninterrupted for about 4,000 years…”


“So, the Land has always been a Jewish land if one is to believe the Bible. Yet, for some who do not believe in God or do not hold the Bible as inspired and without error (in the original manuscripts), we must include the modern-day confirmations of 1917 with the Balfour Declaration, the 1920 San Remo Conference, and the United Nations November 17, 1947 vote of Israel as the modern Jewish state, leading to the Declaration of Independence on May 14, 1948.”

Obsessed With Destroying The Jews: The Ultimate Enemy Of Israel Is Satan

This had nothing to do with the land, it was a pogrom. The goal is the murder of all Jewish people, not just in Gaza but the whole world. Let’s face our new reality. It is open season on the Jewish people again!

harbingersdaily.com

That land was part of Egypt and later part of the Ottoman Empire, and the biblical stories are irrelevant, given that the Palestinian Semites have also occupied that land for millenia and mutually lived together before the Zionists formed in the 1890's in order to steal their land.

 

[Kenny]

So why are the Zionists building settlements on the Palestinian Semite land which was given to them by a god if they don't want to steal it?
Before 1947 the Jewish and Palestinian Semites lived harmoniously together before the non-Semitic Zionists wanted to steal the Palestinian Semite land.

Again... they haven't stolen anything. Israel is Israel and has the right to build on their lands

Yes, the Jewish and Palestinians lived harmoniously until 1948 when 5 Arab nations attacked the Jewish people.

Did you know that all Palestinians were offered Israeli citizenship and as a citizen, they can build on the land?

 

[Monty]

Again... they haven't stolen anything. Israel is Israel and has the right to build on their lands

Yes, the Jewish and Palestinians lived harmoniously until 1948 when 5 Arab nations attacked the Jewish people.

Did you know that all Palestinians were offered Israeli citizenship and as a citizen, they can build on the land?

No it doesn't, since the UN agreement in 1947/8 was for two separate countries and not for one controlled by the Zionists.

 

[Kenny]

No it doesn't, since the UN agreement in 1947/8 was for two separate countries and not for one controlled by the Zionists.

Don't understand. There are two separate countries. Palestine and Israel. Can you expound?

And did you know those Palestinians who wanted to become Israeli citizens could? But many rejected the offer?

 

[Monty]

Don't understand. There are two separate countries. Palestine and Israel. Can you expound?

And did you know those Palestinians who wanted to become Israeli citizens could? But many rejected the offer?

So why are the Zionists building settlements on Palestinian land?

 

[Kenny]

So why are the Zionists building settlements on Palestinian land?

Can you give me a link?

 

[Estro Felino]

Don't understand. There are two separate countries. Palestine and Israel. Can you expound?

And did you know those Palestinians who wanted to become Israeli citizens could? But many rejected the offer?

Unfortunately fundamentalism plays the most essential role, here.
It doesn't deal with a religious ideology that means to build. It means to destroy.
It doesn't mean to coexist peacefully. It means to replace, violently.

 

[Kenny]

Unfortunately fundamentalism plays the most essential role, here.
It doesn't deal with a religious ideology that means to build. It means to destroy.
It doesn't mean to coexist peacefully. It means to replace, violently.

Exactly. That is why when people say "Coexist" when their very motto is to eradicate every Jewish person from the land of Israel, it translates into "no real peace".

 

[Estro Felino]

Exactly. That is why when people say "Coexist" when their very motto is to eradicate every Jewish person from the land of Israel, it translates into "no real peace".

The evidence is that in those countries like Turkey, which has been secular for decades. Literally for decades.
And then, thanks to that religious fundamentalism coming from the Gulf, it has become radicalized, and religious minorities are less and less tolerated. They are barely tolerated. Not respected.

 

[Monty]

Can you give me a link?

Israeli occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kenny]

Israeli occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually, history is that it was Jordan who arbitrarily "annexed" the land in the name of "Not letting Israel become a nation". It really was an "occupation".

Jordanian annexation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Because of the 1967 attack against Israel, the violent Arab incursion to eradicate the Jews was unsuccessful and in the process lost the "West Bank" and became part of Israel.

So, it isn't that they are building on Palestinian land. There are almost 1/2 million Jews who currently live there and two hundred thousands who have lived there.

Then the UN intervened but the lines of which part belongs to who is still up for grabs. I think there is about 30% of the West Bank that isn't settled yet.

Of course, the media has its own agenda. Much like today "ISRAEL TARGETED AND BOMBED A HOSPITAL KILLING 500 INNOCENT PEOPLE". Now we know Hamas had a bad missile that went haywire. It didn't hit the hospital but the parking lot where people were trying to hide from Israeli bombardment because hey know that Israel won't bomb a hospital. It wasn't 500 but now ranges between 20 - 50 in an AP report or 100 - 200 in other media outlets while some still won't admit that it wasn't Israel.

 

[Debater Slayer]

As if the other party is a party of saints while they chop off the heads of babies.

Decapitated babies.

I keep seeing this claim despite the fact that even an Israeli official has said it was unconfirmed, so here are a few relevant excerpts:

The unsupported claim about dozens of child beheadings gained traction after live news reports from Nicole Zedeck, a correspondent for Israel-based i24NEWS, who was reporting from the scene of an attack near the Israel-Gaza border. In videos the news service posted to X on Oct. 10, Zedeck said Israeli soldiers told her what they witnessed.

In one clip, she said “about 40 babies at least,” who were dead, according to a commander, “were taken out on gurneys.” In another clip, she said babies had “their heads cut off, they said” – but she never mentioned a number.

The claim about “40 babies beheaded” appears to be a combination of those two separate details that Zedeck relayed during the live broadcasts. She did not make that claim herself, as the social media video wrongly asserts.

In fact, CNN reported on Oct. 12 that an unnamed Israeli official told the news outlet that the Israeli government had not confirmed claims, including from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s spokesperson, that babies were beheaded.

“There have been cases of Hamas militants carrying out beheadings and other ISIS-style atrocities. However, we cannot confirm if the victims were men or women, soldiers or civilians, adults or children,” the unnamed official was quoted as saying.

The White House also has walked back President Joe Biden’s false suggestion that he saw photographic evidence of children with their heads cut off.

“I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children,” Biden said in an Oct. 11 meeting with Jewish community leaders.

Biden administration officials later told reporters he was referring to unconfirmed reports from news outlets and Israeli officials about alleged child decapitations.

What We Know About Three Widespread Israel-Hamas War Claims - FactCheck.org

Since fighting broke out between Israel and Hamas militants on Oct. 7, misinformation about the war has circulated online. But a widely viewed and shared video supposedly correcting what the video calls "three lies about Palestine" and "atrocity propaganda" also gets some of the facts wrong.

www.factcheck.org

Hamas has committed atrocities such as mass murder of noncombatants, so one can condemn it without the need for unverified claims. Either way, its attacks have killed children even if the method may not have been decapitation.