Yes, I pointed out in my post that they murdered children by other methods, and that heinous act has indeed been confirmed.
Thanks, LC. I hope we both have better times soon.
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Hamas vs. Israel, a thought experiment
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Yes, I pointed out in my post that they murdered children by other methods, and that heinous act has indeed been confirmed.
Thanks, LC. I hope we both have better times soon.
This conversation. Did you see the title of the thread when you clicked?
Gaza isn't occupied.
I can see you haven't learned any more about the situation since your last reply. You might want to.
I agree that we do have the tendency to believe the worst. I guess since we have seen them chop people's heads off, it isn't hard to believe it but we should have verified evidence.
Thank you for the check-up - however hideous was the burning of babies, killing of babies et al, we shouldn't repeat what we don't know for sure.
Thank you.
At this point we can say "It is a possibility but need to wait for confirmation"
'Toddlers, babies with their heads cut off': Israeli PM's spokesperson describes scene in border village after Hamas attack
Speaking to LBC, Tal Heinrich spokesperson for the Israeli Prime Minister's Office confirmed soldiers on the ground had been dealing with babies who had been decapitated.
this is still second hand information since it is reported that soldiers are the ones that said they saw it.
I guess I wouldn't want to see "the confirmation".
Please. Let's wait until we have greater clarity before adding to the noise.
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DONE!
Why are they unprecedented? Afterall the Yank terrorists raped and butchered innocent women and children in My Lai etc, and the senior officers who ordered the massacres then used junior officers as their scape goats. My Lai massacre - Wikipedia
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Gaza indeed is regularly invaded by the Occupier ... which in this case is more of a Prison warden .. largest open air prison in the world .. controlled .. regularly bomb the power and water ... what they can import restricted. .. so clearly it is you who has much to learn ..but even if your lame blurt was partially true .. that doesn't change the fact that the The "Occupied Territories" are "Occupied" the foreign invader stealing land on a regular basis .. annexing territory just like Russia did .. and so has the right to self defense .. under the UN Charter ..
So much you have to learn my young apprentice .. such little respect for your Peers .. according to the State Dept. Gaza is part of the occupied territories.
We should be arming these freedom fighters to defend themselves against this evil Terrorist Occupier .. Israel must be forced to stop these Illegal incursions onto Palestinian Territory -- Stealing more and more land violating international law and the UN Charter .. guilty of all manner of war crimes , crimes against humanity ..
Now you understand ?
You're incorrect from the first sentence. Before you try to teach, you may want to learn some basics.
Israel’s disengagement from Gaza (2005) | Withdrawal, Map, Settlements, & Hamas | Britannica
Israel’s disengagement from Gaza was a unilateral withdrawal of Israeli security forces and settlements from the Gaza Strip in August–September 2005.
Your position is insane: you're literally advocating that we arm terrorists who want to exterminate Jews and replace Israel with an Islamist caliphate. No thanks.
So again - if you want to continue engaging in this conversation with me, educate yourself. That means go learn more than you currently know rather than continuing to argue. Until then, I won't be engaging further with you.
You're incorrect from the first sentence. Before you try to teach, you may want to learn some basics.
Israel’s disengagement from Gaza (2005) | Withdrawal, Map, Settlements, & Hamas | Britannica
Israel’s disengagement from Gaza was a unilateral withdrawal of Israeli security forces and settlements from the Gaza Strip in August–September 2005.www.britannica.com
Your position is insane: you're literally advocating that we arm terrorists who want to exterminate Jews and replace Israel with an Islamist caliphate. No thanks.
So again - if you want to continue engaging in this conversation with me, educate yourself. That means go learn more than you currently know rather than continuing to argue. Until then, I won't be engaging further with you.
Israel is still an occupier .. but . what part of .. it makes no difference if they are not an occupier of Gaza .. did you fail to understand. It doesn't matter that you are wrong .. as Israel is an Occupier of the West Bank .. and the other regions listed by the US State Department as Occupied Territories.
My position is not insane .. because I have not given you my position ? I told you what international law states .. the UN Charter - that the Palestinians have the right to self defence against the aggressive occupier- terrorists who wish to exterminate the Palestinians. That they have a right to self determination .. and a right to fight back against the war criminals.
Sorry your education .. or lack therof.. did not include this information .. sorry that it troubles you so much that you feel the need to call names and demonize the messenger while running from the playground.
"educate yourself." - it is not so much about your failing in this respect .. but the inability to learn or understand new information, expecially if it conflicts with the Propaganda tropes you have been ingesting.
Terrorism is not an answer. Taking hostages is and will always be wrong. I am aware that israel was born from terrorism (irgun/haganah) but that does not make it useful or good..........ever!
Do i agree, that the palestinians should have had an equal right to a country and self determination, absolutely.
In fact, if the fences came down and equal voting was allowed, that israel would not exist as a one religion label. Especially knowing that not even the Jews of the world accept israel as representing them all.
Here in the USA many Jews are ticked at israel, especially when they know and understand that many of the continuing problems of anti semitism is because of what israel is has been doing to palestinians for the last 70 yrs and then claiming to be a Jewish state.
Just yesterday I heard that a friend was in fear by a cab driver asking if she was Jewish and she just lied and said she was german. I will not repeat what the driver said that he would do if she was Jewish.
If i was there, i would have blown a fuse
Ouch .. sad story .. folks need to get off the collective punishment band wagon .. there is a reason why this is a war crime .. and rule of law principle "one person not to be punished for the actions of another" .. and Terrorism during war is always a war crime . and when not in war a crime against humanity .. and Israel been terrorizing the Palestinians for 70 years.
About perfect
I know, i have bumped into palestinians here in the west USA, that will use the Jewish name in horrid terms and I have stopped in my tracks to address it. 'Do not condemn the Jewish person for what is happening within that apartheid!' Israel has done more damage to the Jew, than ever helped. Same with the other side of the equation. Here in the USA many hate Islam for what terrorists and extremist have done and that is just sick in the head.
I agree. Some call the acts as incursions or surgical strikes even though innocent lives will be killed.
I know, i've watched the mess for a long time. Sad part is few understand why the location is so important.
That stupid hill, with the gold domed building, is the prize/required location. The land mass is practically an arm pit with almost no resources and barely fertile enough to support even a small population. Heck without US, israel could barely survive and they just found natural gas in the leviathan field off the coast (neutral waters) which israel was ticked at russia's gazprom for requiring that israel agree to share the wealth with the neighboring countries as a part of the drilling contract.
The mess is so stupid on so many layers, that it is just gross to witness for the last half century.
metis
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I'm following it very closely for personal reasons but haven't run across that they supposedly claimed they haven't. BTW, Egypt is hooked up to their system but hasn't turned on the water.
Israeli pilots refuse to fly assassination missions
Israeli pilots refuse to fly assassination missions
A group of Israeli airforce pilots declared yesterday that they would refuse to fly missions which could endanger civilians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
In Israel .. like in the USA .. thre are a bunch of corrupt Neocon's running the show. Many Israeli's are against the Apartheid Occupation and for the two state solution.
Are you sure its not the phosphorus munitions, that they are refusing to use?
The 2 state solution will be tough to pull off, because then the palestinians will be able to arm themselves without israel having the control.
Too many upset Palis and I am no longer sure that the 2SS would fix the problem.
The best idea that I could see working is drop the fences and make the state of israel into a democracy in stead of a 'religious' state identifying one religion. The 3 religions of abraham all have a foot hold and as it sits, the majority of Jews on this earth will not move into that apartheid.
Could be that too but, the article is about targeted assassinations -- dropping 1000 lb bombs on apartment blocks in the middle of crowded neighborhoods ... keep in mind this was from 2003 .. but they have been doing such war crimes on a regular basis for decades. That some bad guy the IDF doesn't like wanders into a building .. does not justify bombing a building full of civilians.
No different than the lebanese arming themselves .. a State has the right to self defence .. and against Israel they will need to arm themselves to keep the Neocon Zionist Zealots at bay.
Which is why the Zionists are committing genocide by starving the Palestinian children to death and killing them in the Gaza concentration camp.
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Assassinations are specific individual.
Is a blanket murder
I was hoping it was current, that the IDF soldiers were learning to keep a conscious of what they were doing.
I understand
agreed.
Lebanon is a separate country.
agreed and must apply to each to be observable when used to claim a defensive posture
Actually israel should be keeping their own in check. If they cannot, than 'we the people" USA should be doing it.
You think USA should be keeping the Israeli people in check ? if Israel fails to do so. So when the Israeli Jews in the Settlements go on a rampage .. with protection of the Soldiers .. on Palestinians .. What is it that the USA should be doing to keep these Jewish terrorist gangs in Check ?