SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I know these questions you've asked have all been answered for you before, and in great detail. Trump is under indictment for a reason, you know.
Why would you feign ignorance at this point?
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Harris Called Out For Being A Communist
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Why would you feign ignorance at this point?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
You mean nominated and confirmed through the constitutional process.
yeah he is a christian. so what?
yeah, in context it makes sense what he said but no matter you don;t care.
Uh huh.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
How was trump involved with that? That was the question I was asked and responded to. That Trump somehow tried to kill Pence.
Proud Boys Intended To Kill Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi, FBI Witness Says
A group allegedly involved in the violent breach of the U.S. Capitol last week, including at least one self-proclaimed member of the Proud Boys, said that "they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance," according to an FBI witness.www.newsweek.com
WATCH: Video shows Capitol 'mob calling for the death of the vice president,' Plaskett says
In video showed Wednesday at Trump’s second impeachment trial, rioters chanted “Hang Mike Pence!” and “Bring out Pence!” as they roamed the halls searching for the former vice president and other lawmakers. Outside, the mob set up a makeshift gallows on the field near the Capitol.www.pbs.org
Indeed. The denial & low information of
Trump supporters is startlingly outrageous.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
How does it make sense "in context." Please elaborate.
Donald Trump shares Jesus comparison while in court
Trump was in court Monday for a hearing related to allegations that he made hush money payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels.
www.newsweek.com
Trump endorses a $60 bible one day after comparing himself to Jesus
Trump endorsed the country music-inspired print one day after he compared himself to Jesus in a Truth Social post.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Before all of your questions can be answered you need to correct one false statement that you made. Yes, one time, and one time only did Trump say to protest peacefully. But again and again he lied to the crowd and stated that he won, that the election was rigged. And more than once he urged the crowd to "fight like hell". When one's exhortations for violence greatly outnumber one weak plea for "protesting peacefully" you cannot say that he did not urge on the crowd to riot.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
When a person riles up a crowd to the point of violence that person is responsible for what the crowd did. If Trump did not lie there would have been no riot.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Trump to far-right extremists: 'Stand back and stand by'
President Donald Trump on Tuesday didn’t condemn white supremacist groups and their role in violence in some American cities this summer, branding it solely a “left-wing” problem and telling one far-right extremist group to “stand back and stand by.”
"Asked whether he condemned white supremacists and military groups, Mr. Trump demurred and then said, “Proud Boys — stand back and stand by.”
Within minutes, members of the group were posting in private social media channels, calling the president’s comments “historic.” In one channel dedicated to the Proud Boys on Telegram, a private messaging app, group members called the president’s comment a tacit endorsement of their violent tactics.
In another message, a member commented that the group was already seeing a spike in “new recruits.”
"White House officials described a tweet from then-President Donald Trump as a breaking point that prompted some to decide to resign.
Mr. Trump tweeted at 2:24 p.m., after the riot was under way: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.” That was a reference to the vice president’s refusal to block the certification of President Biden’s election win in the joint session of Congress that day.
“The tweet looked to me like the opposite of what we really needed at that moment, which was a deescalation,” Matt Pottinger, Mr. Trump’s former deputy national security adviser, told the committee.
Sarah Matthews, a former White House deputy press secretary, argued that the tweet gave Mr. Trump’s supporters permission to continue their assault on the U.S. Capitol. “It was essentially him giving the green light to these people,” she said, adding that Mr. Trump’s supporters “truly latch on to every tweet and every word he says.”
Both Mr. Pottinger and Ms. Mathews said the tweet prompted them to decide to step down.
The committee played testimony of other officials' reactions to the tweet. “That's a terrible tweet. And I disagreed with the sentiment, and I thought it was wrong,” said former White House counsel Pat Cipollone.
Former press aide Judd Deere said the tweet was “extremely unhelpful. … The scenes at the U.S. Capitol were only getting worse at that point. This was not going to help that.”
“President Trump was wrong,” Pence said during remarks at the annual white-tie Gridiron Dinner attended by politicians and journalists. “I had no right to overturn the election. And his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know history will hold Donald Trump accountable.”
Pence says Trump 'endangered my family' on Jan. 6
Former Vice President Mike Pence has unleashed his harshest criticism yet of former President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.
I could only manage it if I killed myself.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
How is this telling them to kill pence?Trump to far-right extremists: 'Stand back and stand by'
President Donald Trump on Tuesday didn’t condemn white supremacist groups and their role in violence in some American cities this summer, branding it solely a “left-wing” problem and telling one far-right extremist group to “stand back and stand by.”apnews.com
"Asked whether he condemned white supremacists and military groups, Mr. Trump demurred and then said, “Proud Boys — stand back and stand by.”
Within minutes, members of the group were posting in private social media channels, calling the president’s comments “historic.” In one channel dedicated to the Proud Boys on Telegram, a private messaging app, group members called the president’s comment a tacit endorsement of their violent tactics.
In another message, a member commented that the group was already seeing a spike in “new recruits.”
"White House officials described a tweet from then-President Donald Trump as a breaking point that prompted some to decide to resign.
Mr. Trump tweeted at 2:24 p.m., after the riot was under way: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.” That was a reference to the vice president’s refusal to block the certification of President Biden’s election win in the joint session of Congress that day.
“The tweet looked to me like the opposite of what we really needed at that moment, which was a deescalation,” Matt Pottinger, Mr. Trump’s former deputy national security adviser, told the committee.
Sarah Matthews, a former White House deputy press secretary, argued that the tweet gave Mr. Trump’s supporters permission to continue their assault on the U.S. Capitol. “It was essentially him giving the green light to these people,” she said, adding that Mr. Trump’s supporters “truly latch on to every tweet and every word he says.”
Both Mr. Pottinger and Ms. Mathews said the tweet prompted them to decide to step down.
The committee played testimony of other officials' reactions to the tweet. “That's a terrible tweet. And I disagreed with the sentiment, and I thought it was wrong,” said former White House counsel Pat Cipollone.
Former press aide Judd Deere said the tweet was “extremely unhelpful. … The scenes at the U.S. Capitol were only getting worse at that point. This was not going to help that.”
“President Trump was wrong,” Pence said during remarks at the annual white-tie Gridiron Dinner attended by politicians and journalists. “I had no right to overturn the election. And his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know history will hold Donald Trump accountable.”
Pence says Trump 'endangered my family' on Jan. 6
Former Vice President Mike Pence has unleashed his harshest criticism yet of former President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.apnews.com
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
There's a reason I provided more than one article, about more than one specific thing. There is more than one specific event or action involved here. It's a collection of actions and events over a period of time. Just like how the failed coup played out.
Follow along, instead of picking out one article and missing the forest for the trees.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
My statement was not false. He said to march peacefully and he never told them to riot or enter the building. He has every right to claim the election was not fair, many politicians including Harris have said to fight and questioned election results. Harris said "When we fight we win". I guess she is saying she want her supporters to riot and enter the capitol
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It was false. You tried to deny the fact that Trump urged on a crowd to riot. You seem to be just like a creationist in your thought patterns. You cannot take in the whole picture. You focus on only tiny points of it. Just as creationists cannot understand that evolution is not use "natural selection" or "random variation" but a combination of those and other factors you cannot see that Trump urged his followers to attack the Capitol. Context matters, and you are avoiding the context.My statement was not false. He said to march peacefully and he never told them to riot or enter the building. He has every right to claim the election was not fair, many politicians including Harris have said to fight and questioned election results. Harris said "When we fight we win". I guess she is saying she want her supporters to riot and enter the capitol
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
As long as he is bending a knee to the evangelicals, their agenda has his backing.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Large grocery store chains have very small profit margins. For example Kroger, which is the largest in the USA had a profit margin of 1.4%. Apple had 22% profit. There no room to trim when it comes to grocery stores, unless the goal is drive them into bankruptcy. Harris is clueless. A grocery store has thousand of items from hundreds of venders, and there are many layers of middle men, from farm to grocery shell for each item. Any place you price fix, can gum up all the works. We do not need an emotional thinker, tinkering with the economy, since that is why we are in this mess. Keep Harris away from the economy since she is clueless and panders to the clueless.
Trump idea begins with getting the price of oil to drop by drilling and increasing supply. The opposite action by the DNC has led to the mess we are in. The more oil supply we have, the lower the price. Every step of every product, from farm to grocery shelf, uses oil in same shape or form, such as to make electricity or run a tractor or delivery truck. With oil cheaper, everything comes down a little at each spot, until the consumer feels the price decrease. The consumer also saves money if gas and electricity go down, so they have more money to spend on lower prices, which then makes new business want to open and compete which increases supply, price falls even more and wage increase due to more need for employees.
That one action of lower gas prices is a positive trigger for prices to come down. Lowering regulation is also useful. There are many Agencies that are corrupt and compromised adding to the cost of business. As an example, there was a Supreme Court case, connect to the rise in sea food prices. A somewhat new regulation required all fishermen boat owners pay to have an EPA agent on board to over see their fishing. The boat owner is forced to pay the DEI salary for another employee who did not work, which increases their cost, due to the extortion. The fisherman won their case. Some agencies use law fare against political opponents which does not help anyone but themselves.
Another Supreme court case challenged the authority of any agency to make laws, since only Congress can do that. The agencies has made laws for their own growth; red tape for unions to add more employees, and not the best interests of the American people. Government is very often the source of many economic problems.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
"The opposite action by the DNC has led to the mess we are in."
You do realize that oil output today is at a record high, at a level higher than when Trump was in office?
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
He's sure been reindicted with something of responsibility for J6 -- non-immunable things, too.
Oddly you offer no corrections or rebuttals. So maybe you’re just horrified to read what your political position is.
You’re a MAGA and you seem embarrassed or in denial that you believe what is represented in your posts. You nit pick about what the Jan 6 criminals are categorized as, but don’t seem terribly concerned about what they did, or that Trump was the cause for it all.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
He was just reindicted for that yesterday. Don't you follow the news at all? He was indicted for it a couple of years ago. The bogus USSC finding that he had "immunity for official acts" cause them to run another grand jury and reindict him on the same changes taking that into account. Now the indictment makes it clear why what he has been charged with were not official acts as President.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
MAGAs live in fantasy land.
Joe Biden is producing more oil than Donald Trump did
Oil production hit record under Biden despite making transition to renewables key part of his agenda. Will it hurt him in 2024?
www.newsweek.com
New Data: Biden’s First Year Drilling Permitting Stomps Trump’s By 34%
Center for Biological Diversity: Thousands of Permits OK’d Despite President’s Authority to End Drilling by 2035
biologicaldiversity.org
He didn't orchestrate it. Kenneth Chesebro did. Trump's role was to approve the plan.
But just so we're clear: the fake elector scheme was a coup attempt all on its own, even without the violence of Jan. 6. Do I understand you correctly: that you don't dispute that the fake elector scam happened, but you question Trump's involvement?
More hair-splitting?
He encouraged the mob to disrupt and delay the EC vote. At that stage of the plan, that's all he hoped he needed.
Sounds like you've blocked out your memory of the mobs roaming the Capitol shouting "hang Mike Pence!" as they went from room to room looking for him.
If you want more specifics, members of the Proud Boys have specifically said that their goal was to kill Pence.
Pence was 40ft from mob on January 6: ‘Vice-president’s life was in danger’
Committee hearing details how Trump whipped up hostility towards Pence for refusing to overturn election
I didn't say he orchestrated a plan. He approved the plans and committed certain key acts, but it was others in his inner circle who were managing the details (with his blessing).
Do you want me to respond as if you meant this sincerely?