Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

[InvestigateTruth]

So we need a holy book that says homosexual marriage is okay,because it goes in that direction nowadays,or enjoy sex but use condom,prostitution is okay,but test women periodically and pay them before the ****.

That will be a nice holy book.

It is God who determines what teachings are required for our time, and in our view He already did!

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

God made a promise that the quran won't be changed and i believe that was by memorizing the quran from the beginning till our days,so it isn't kept by records only but by the minds as well.

That's interesting. Thanks for answering.

I'm curious if you've ever examined your deep assumptions about God and prophets?

For example, doesn't it seem a strange way for God to communicate with humans... to choose one man and to give that man Sacred Words?

And wouldn't it be easy for any man to make that claim -- that he has gotten his words from God?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Now, now. A slave should not question his master. That is the way He has done it right from the time of Moses to Bahaullah.

 

[FearGod]

It is God who determines what teachings are required for our time, and in our view He already did!

And what changes that Baha'ullah brought for the 20th century till our recent days.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

And what changes that Baha'ullah brought for the 20th century till our recent days.

Here we already had started that discussion, feel free to continue there:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...are-religious-laws-teachings-abrahamic-3.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/141389-bahai-islam.html

and here is a very general and overall teachings of Baha'i Faith:

• The oneness of mankind.

• Universal peace upheld by a world government.

• Independent investigation of truth.

• The common foundation of all religions.

• The essential harmony of science and religion.

• Equality of men and women.

• Elimination of prejudice of all kinds.

• Universal compulsory education.

• A spiritual solution to the economic problem.

• A universal auxiliary language.

Bah' Faith Principles

 

[Ingledsva]

Here we already had started that discussion, feel free to continue there:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...are-religious-laws-teachings-abrahamic-3.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/141389-bahai-islam.html

and here is a very general and overall teachings of Baha'i Faith:

• The oneness of mankind.

• Universal peace upheld by a world government.

• Independent investigation of truth.

• The common foundation of all religions.

• The essential harmony of science and religion.

• Equality of men and women.

• Elimination of prejudice of all kinds.

• Universal compulsory education.

• A spiritual solution to the economic problem.

• A universal auxiliary language.

Bah' Faith Principles

Yep! You folks come off WAY-WAY ahead of Islam -


But you still don't have true full equality for women.



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[Gjallarhorn]

Yep! You folks come off WAY-WAY ahead of Islam -


But you still don't have true full equality for women.



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Or support of homosexuals.

 

[Ingledsva]

So we need a holy book that says homosexual marriage is okay,because it goes in that direction nowadays,or enjoy sex but use condom, prostitution is okay, but test women periodically and pay them before the ****.

That will be a nice holy book.

That is a bit out there - as - many Islamic groups and countries - being PATRIARCHAL - have written laws to get around those bans so men can continue to have sex with prostitutes - while women are forced to follow male laws.


I'm talking about work-arounds Such as the "temporary one hour/one day marriage," so you can visit the whorehouse and sc**w your whore of choice, and then take home disease to your wife, - and "technically" get around the letter of the LAW! This is actually called SIN!



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[Ingledsva]

Or support of homosexuals.

So very true.


You would think religions, supposedly transmitted from the creator of humans, - would know that homosexuality is normal to humans, and throughout the animal kingdom.



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[gnostic]

The prophet was known as illiterate,never known to be a good writer,as i am not a good English writer or even not good as an Arabic writer.

That's utterly meaningless, feargod.

Even if Muhammad was illiterate, doesn't mean he was stupid.

Christian missionaries often to the populace, who were generally illiterates. And there were Jews living in Arabia, and Christian missionaries coming and going everywhere, including Arabia, and there were trades going between the Arabian tribes and the Byzantine Syria, so pre-Islamic Arabia.

There are other ways to learn other religions, that doesn't involve reading and writing - learning through listening.

People, in illiterate societies, where bards used to teach their apprentices through passing down stories or songs, just by listening and remembering, known as oral tradition.

And don't forget ancient Jews (Israelites and Judeans) have been passing stories and exegesis of the Oral Torah, generation after generation, supposedly since Moses' time,before they were written down in the Talmud, Midrash, and other rabbinic literature.

And if I remember correctly, while he was with his uncle, have encountered a Christian preacher, so clearly he wasn't ignorant to biblical stories.

Muslims' claims that Muhammad was illiterate, is a pointless claim.

Illiterate doesn't mean ignorance or stupidity.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yep! You folks come off WAY-WAY ahead of Islam -


But you still don't have true full equality for women.



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I don't think that's true. Baha'i Faith teaches there is full equality of rights between men and women. In fact when in America and Europe the women did not have the right to vote, Baha'i women were participating in Baha'i elections, being way ahead of other systems...
Having said that men and women have differences in abilities and duties. For example women can get pregnant, but men cannot. Even men are different from each other, some are stronger, or women are different from other women, therefore it is obvious men and women are not equal in every aspect.....If you are talking about women are not in Universal House of Justice, being a member in UHJ is not an advantage or station, but it is a duty and service that women are exempt.
But for example, with regards to getting education, girls are given higher priority in Baha'i faith, since they will be Mothers.

"If it is not possible, therefore, for a family to educate all the children, preference is to be accorded to daughters since, through educated mothers, the benefits of knowledge can be most effectively and rapidly diffused throughout society." Most Holy Book, p.100

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Or support of homosexuals.

Not true. I can even quote form Baha'i Writings asking to support them. Off course homosexuality is not accepted, but also discrimination against them is also not supported. This was already discussed here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/bahai-faith-dir/145330-being-bahai-homosexual.html

 

[FearGod]

That's interesting. Thanks for answering.

I'm curious if you've ever examined your deep assumptions about God and prophets?

For example, doesn't it seem a strange way for God to communicate with humans... to choose one man and to give that man Sacred Words?

And wouldn't it be easy for any man to make that claim -- that he has gotten his words from God?

Yes,there were some who claimed the prophecy.

I think We have to use our minds to know who is the right and who is the false one.

There were some false prophets in the past and they failed to fool their people.

As i said it is what we want to believe.

For example in the quran and as well in the bible it is mentioned that Jews will rule over Jerusalem and the quran said moreover that Jews will be gathered from all over the world to Palestine and they'll be in high power till Jesus 2nd coming.

Now how we can believe that Baha'ullah or Ahmadi were true messengers or as they claimed to be the promised messiah while both came in the same period of time claiming prophecy while Jews were still weak and not controlling any part of the world and have no power over Jerusalem.

Prophet is derived from prophecy,things around us is happening exactly as informed by the last prophet Mohammed,so how can i think that he was lying while the events that happened later on saying otherwise.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Prophet is derived from prophecy,things around us is happening exactly as informed by the last prophet Mohammed,so how can i think that he was lying while the events that happened later on saying otherwise.

I wonder why people from different religions don't agree about what was prophesized?

Jews, Christians, Muslims, Baha'is, etc... they all disagree about prophecy.

And regular secular people don't even believe that prophecies ever come true.

It seems to me that if God wanted to make a prophecy, He would tell us that, "A meteorite weighing 122 pounds will fall in New York City on February 22nd, 2015 at 10:15 in the morning."

I wonder why God never tells us prophecies like that -- prophecies that everyone can agree about?

 

[FearGod]

It seems to me that if God wanted to make a prophecy, He would tell us that, "A meteorite weighing 122 pounds will fall in New York City on February 22nd, 2015 at 10:15 in the morning."

We will say then "what a great coincidence" or "the said messenger is dealing with the Satan".

 

[FearGod]

That's utterly meaningless, feargod.

Even if Muhammad was illiterate, doesn't mean he was stupid.

Christian missionaries often to the populace, who were generally illiterates. And there were Jews living in Arabia, and Christian missionaries coming and going everywhere, including Arabia, and there were trades going between the Arabian tribes and the Byzantine Syria, so pre-Islamic Arabia.

There are other ways to learn other religions, that doesn't involve reading and writing - learning through listening.

People, in illiterate societies, where bards used to teach their apprentices through passing down stories or songs, just by listening and remembering, known as oral tradition.

And don't forget ancient Jews (Israelites and Judeans) have been passing stories and exegesis of the Oral Torah, generation after generation, supposedly since Moses' time,before they were written down in the Talmud, Midrash, and other rabbinic literature.

And if I remember correctly, while he was with his uncle, have encountered a Christian preacher, so clearly he wasn't ignorant to biblical stories.

Muslims' claims that Muhammad was illiterate, is a pointless claim.

Illiterate doesn't mean ignorance or stupidity.

You are learning and listening and you have the Internet to pick any information you need,are you greater than Shakespeare.

 

[FearGod]

Here we already had started that discussion, feel free to continue there:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...are-religious-laws-teachings-abrahamic-3.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/141389-bahai-islam.html

and here is a very general and overall teachings of Baha'i Faith:

• The oneness of mankind.

Baha'ullah said "Ye are all leaves of one tree and the fruits of one branch"

Can you explain his simple sentence

we are all leaves of one tree and we are the fruits of one branch
What about if better to say we are mangoes and coconuts.

 

[FearGod]

• Universal peace upheld by a world government.

Bah' Faith Principles

Baha'ullah said

((*Warfare and strife will be uprooted, disagreement and dissension pass away and Universal Peace unite the nations and peoples of the world. All mankind will dwell together as one family, blend as the waves of one sea, shine as stars of one firmament and appear as fruits of the same tree.))

The war was never uprooted and the mankind didn't and won't dwell together as one family and shine as stars of one firmament and not from 2 firmaments and won't appear as one fruits,mangoes

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

We will say then "what a great coincidence" or "the said messenger is dealing with the Satan".

So God won't give us such specific prophecies because He knows that we won't believe them?

Then He must know that we won't believe the vague prophecies that He gives us.

So why does He give us any prophecies at all?

 

[FearGod]

• Universal peace upheld by a world government.

Bah' Faith Principles

Baha'ullah said

((*God has given man the eye of investigation by which he may see and recognize truth. He has endowed man with ears that he may hear the message of reality and conferred upon him the gift of reason by which he may discover things for himself. This is his endowment and equipment for the investigation of reality. Man is not intended to see through the eyes of another, hear through another's ears nor comprehend with another's brain. Each human creature has individual endowment, power and responsibility in the creative plan of God.))

But we investigate what the others saw and what the others heard as we ourselves we didn't see or hear anything ourselves.

What we have to see ? historical books and what we have to hear,music