He is Risen - The Evidence

[sayak83]

I believe the scriptures that say so .

Why would anyone else care what you believe? Good for you.

 

[John1.12]

Let's try again.

Question 1: Do you think that a real God, one with objective existence, exists?

Question 2: If so, do you think that this real God is benevolent towards humankind?

Question 3: Do you think that this real God is omnipotent?

Question 4: Do you think the sacrificing of a human to a deity, is a moral abomination? If not, what is your attitude to that practice?

Four nice clear on-the-point fully responsive answers should sort out any misunderstandings.

//Question 1: Do you think that a real God, one with objective existence, exists?
Yes .

Question 2: If so, do you think that this real God is benevolent towards humankind?
This question is a little general .But in a sense and a certain context, if you mean
characterized by or expressing goodwill or kindly feelings: ? Then yes . But its applied more specific . His attributes are more diverse .
Question 3: Do you think that this real God is omnipotent?
Again . No verse uses this word . If you mean 'having unlimited power and able to do anything:' ? Then no . God is unable to lie according to the Scriptures. He also cannot contradict himself , or make a square circle, be unjust, un righteous, unholy , Sin and many other things .
Question 4: Do you think the sacrificing of a human to a deity, is a moral abomination? If not, what is your attitude to that practice?//
What Jesus did does not relate to this question . As its not the same thing at all .

 

[John1.12]

Why would anyone else care what you believe? Good for you.

Like wise . I point to the one ,who I believe everyone should care what he believes ,said and taught . As for me ? Yeah , don't follow me . I'm not as Jesus said in John 14.6 .

 

[blü 2]

//Question 1: Do you think that a real God, one with objective existence, exists?
Yes .

Question 2: If so, do you think that this real God is benevolent towards humankind?
This question is a little general .But in a sense and a certain context, if you mean
characterized by or expressing goodwill or kindly feelings: ? Then yes . But its applied more specific . His attributes are more diverse .
Question 3: Do you think that this real God is omnipotent?
Again . No verse uses this word . If you mean 'having unlimited power and able to do anything:' ? Then no . God is unable to lie according to the Scriptures. He also cannot contradict himself , or make a square circle, be unjust, un righteous, unholy , Sin and many other things .
Question 4: Do you think the sacrificing of a human to a deity, is a moral abomination? If not, what is your attitude to that practice?//
What Jesus did does not relate to this question . As its not the same thing at all .

Thank you. Clarity at last.

A few points. At to 'omnipotent', God is styled 'almighty' and indeed referred to as 'the Almighty', in Hebrew 'El Shaddai', a word hard to pin down, but emerging via Greek into Jerome's Latin in the Vulgate as 'omnipotens' and into English as 'almighty', 'all-powerful', and of course 'omnipotent'.

In the bible God contradicts [him]self on many occasions. To take a well-known example:

Exodus 20:13 You shall not kill.

Exodus 32:27 Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Put every man his sword on his side, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.
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As for not sinning, in Isaiah 45:7 God says ─

7 I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.
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and [he] says [he] tells lies and is deceitful eg from many examples ─

Ezekiel 14: 9 And if the prophet be deceived and speak a word, I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet

2 Thessalonians 2:11 Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false.
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As to your comment, "What Jesus did does not relate to this question . As its not the same thing at all", we will have to agree to disagree, since it appears that Jesus was a human in all five versions of him in the NT, and that his mission from the beginning was to die; he says so at the start eg Mark 2:20 and he rejects all opportunities to escape,

Thus it appears, as I said, that no one has a clue why it was ever necessary for Jesus to die.

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[TagliatelliMonster]

This all sounds familiar.
Here is the evidence in the form of fossils and artifacts.
Introduction to Human Evolution | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program
Watch the video. Look at the skulls as Dr. Potts raises them. Look at the gradual change. Can you see it?
Of course we can.
In the same way we can see the gradual change here.
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So by that logic / standard of evidence...

evidence -
(n) the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. (of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent

Yes, sure... let's just pretend as if the bulk of fossil evidence for evolution relies on such a shallow "it kinda looks the same..." comparison. Yes, that's all that an entire field like comparative anatomy is all about.

I have presented the facts... and the evidence.

You have presented claims and tried to support them with even more claims.

You don't have to believe. I don't believe what you believe either.

In this sense, I don't do "beliefs".

Oh, by the way, using Spiderman is a lousy analogy

No, it is spot on.

, since 1) no one ever claimed to be an eyewitness that there was a radioactive spider that could alter DNA to the point where the man became super.

Obviously you haven't read the Marvel Scriptures.

2) There is no need to examine any facts presented for Spiderman being anything other than what it is.

Uhu.

Where do you come up with these arguments.

Reading the arguments from people such as yourself make up for easy inspiration.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

//When you consider the quality of evidence needed to demonstrate the reality of a purported supernatural event, it seems plain that the quality of the evidence for the resurrection is not only not in the ballpark, it's on a distant continent.// What if God did it the way he did it ?

That wouldn't change the fact that one wouldn't have the rational justification to believe it.

What if it actually were really aliens pretending to be gods?
Well, then we'ld all be wrong. It still wouldn't be rationally justified to believe it were aliens.

Does he have to do something to satisfy you alone ?

No. But if he considered it important for us to know that he did what he supposedly did, then he's not doing a very good job of making it known.

If he actually did it as literally described in the bible, then the opposite seems true: he's actively trying to cover his tracks.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We can't have logic without God .

Or Elves. Don't forget about the Elves.

 

[John1.12]

Thank you. Clarity at last.

A few points. At to 'omnipotent', God is styled 'almighty' and indeed referred to as 'the Almighty', in Hebrew 'El Shaddai', a word hard to pin down, but emerging via Greek into Jerome's Latin in the Vulgate as 'omnipotens' and into English as 'almighty', 'all-powerful', and of course 'omnipotent'.

In the bible God contradicts [him]self on many occasions. To take a well-known example:

Exodus 20:13 You shall not kill.

Exodus 32:27 Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Put every man his sword on his side, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.
​

As for not sinning, in Isaiah 45:7 God says ─

7 I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.
​

and [he] says [he] tells lies and is deceitful eg from many examples ─

Ezekiel 14: 9 And if the prophet be deceived and speak a word, I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet

2 Thessalonians 2:11 Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false.
​

As to your comment, "What Jesus did does not relate to this question . As its not the same thing at all", we will have to agree to disagree, since it appears that Jesus was a human in all five versions of him in the NT, and that his mission from the beginning was to die; he says so at the start eg Mark 2:20 and he rejects all opportunities to escape,

Thus it appears, as I said, that no one has a clue why it was ever necessary for Jesus to die.

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I'm reminded of one of those pictures were some see only the duck and some the rabbit . Once a person sees the rabbit its hard to see the duck .

 

[John1.12]

Thank you. Clarity at last.

A few points. At to 'omnipotent', God is styled 'almighty' and indeed referred to as 'the Almighty', in Hebrew 'El Shaddai', a word hard to pin down, but emerging via Greek into Jerome's Latin in the Vulgate as 'omnipotens' and into English as 'almighty', 'all-powerful', and of course 'omnipotent'.

In the bible God contradicts [him]self on many occasions. To take a well-known example:

Exodus 20:13 You shall not kill.

Exodus 32:27 Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Put every man his sword on his side, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.
​

As for not sinning, in Isaiah 45:7 God says ─

7 I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.
​

and [he] says [he] tells lies and is deceitful eg from many examples ─

Ezekiel 14: 9 And if the prophet be deceived and speak a word, I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet

2 Thessalonians 2:11 Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false.
​

As to your comment, "What Jesus did does not relate to this question . As its not the same thing at all", we will have to agree to disagree, since it appears that Jesus was a human in all five versions of him in the NT, and that his mission from the beginning was to die; he says so at the start eg Mark 2:20 and he rejects all opportunities to escape,

Thus it appears, as I said, that no one has a clue why it was ever necessary for Jesus to die.

​

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Jesus mission was to fulfill all righteousness . His life is important as is his death burial and the part you keep forgetting. He raised himself from the dead .Let's not be sorrowful or morbid about it ,the bible says he's alive today .Its good news . No one else was harmed in the making of the scene.

 

[John1.12]

That wouldn't change the fact that one wouldn't have the rational justification to believe it.

What if it actually were really aliens pretending to be gods?
Well, then we'ld all be wrong. It still wouldn't be rationally justified to believe it were aliens.



No. But if he considered it important for us to know that he did what he supposedly did, then he's not doing a very good job of making it known.

If he actually did it as literally described in the bible, then the opposite seems true: he's actively trying to cover his tracks.

Maybe if ' aliens ' were in the bible or such things were mentioned i might have to consider it .

 

[John1.12]

Or Elves. Don't forget about the Elves.

Try any creature that you imagine without it resembling something that exists already . Try imagine something that doesn't already exist in some form or another . Its always interesting when filmmakers try to create a alien or sea monster ,nothing is truly unique. it always resembles something that already exists.

 

[John1.12]

Thank you. Clarity at last.

A few points. At to 'omnipotent', God is styled 'almighty' and indeed referred to as 'the Almighty', in Hebrew 'El Shaddai', a word hard to pin down, but emerging via Greek into Jerome's Latin in the Vulgate as 'omnipotens' and into English as 'almighty', 'all-powerful', and of course 'omnipotent'.

In the bible God contradicts [him]self on many occasions. To take a well-known example:

Exodus 20:13 You shall not kill.

Exodus 32:27 Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Put every man his sword on his side, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.
​

As for not sinning, in Isaiah 45:7 God says ─

7 I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.
​

and [he] says [he] tells lies and is deceitful eg from many examples ─

Ezekiel 14: 9 And if the prophet be deceived and speak a word, I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet

2 Thessalonians 2:11 Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false.
​

As to your comment, "What Jesus did does not relate to this question . As its not the same thing at all", we will have to agree to disagree, since it appears that Jesus was a human in all five versions of him in the NT, and that his mission from the beginning was to die; he says so at the start eg Mark 2:20 and he rejects all opportunities to escape,

Thus it appears, as I said, that no one has a clue why it was ever necessary for Jesus to die.

​

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Could you walk me through the context of those verses you quoted please ? Its rare we get much past a proof text ,out of context ?Most of the time its from a website that has a compiled list of alleged contradictions.

 

[John1.12]

Thank you. Clarity at last.

A few points. At to 'omnipotent', God is styled 'almighty' and indeed referred to as 'the Almighty', in Hebrew 'El Shaddai', a word hard to pin down, but emerging via Greek into Jerome's Latin in the Vulgate as 'omnipotens' and into English as 'almighty', 'all-powerful', and of course 'omnipotent'.

In the bible God contradicts [him]self on many occasions. To take a well-known example:

Exodus 20:13 You shall not kill.

Exodus 32:27 Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Put every man his sword on his side, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.
​

As for not sinning, in Isaiah 45:7 God says ─

7 I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.
​

and [he] says [he] tells lies and is deceitful eg from many examples ─

Ezekiel 14: 9 And if the prophet be deceived and speak a word, I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet

2 Thessalonians 2:11 Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false.
​

As to your comment, "What Jesus did does not relate to this question . As its not the same thing at all", we will have to agree to disagree, since it appears that Jesus was a human in all five versions of him in the NT, and that his mission from the beginning was to die; he says so at the start eg Mark 2:20 and he rejects all opportunities to escape,

Thus it appears, as I said, that no one has a clue why it was ever necessary for Jesus to die.

​

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I could take one verse from Genesis another from John's Gospel, a dash from Paul's Epistles, a sprinkling from Hebrews, seasoned by verse from Revelation and hey presto , God has wings, is made of wood has hinges , has a sword protruding from his mouth . salvation is by works , faith only , circumcision, not circumcision, free gift , at a cost , there is no more Jew ,gentile distinction, but there different, Water Baptism is necessary but not necessary and on and on and on and on ....

 

[Subduction Zone]

I could take one verse from Genesis another from John's Gospel, a dash from Paul's Epistles, a sprinkling from Hebrews, seasoned by verse from Revelation and hey presto , God has wings, is made of wood has hinges , has a sword protruding from his mouth . salvation is by works , faith only , circumcision, not circumcision, free gift , at a cost , there is no more Jew ,gentile distinction, but there different, Water Baptism is necessary but not necessary and on and on and on and on ....

And Christians regularly do that. It is one reason that there are so many different sects and Christians have been on both sides of almost every argument. Christianity is a smorgasbord religion.

 

[John1.12]

And Christians regularly do that. It is one reason that there are so many different sects and Christians have been on both sides of almost every argument. Christianity is a smorgasbord religion.

Totally agree.

 

[nPeace]

You did. But the problem is none of us sees what is rational or reasonable or objective about it. And your answers seem to boil down to "it's in the Bible, which I believe, so it must be most rational and reasonable and objective".

Why are you back here again? Did we not pass that? Did you not express that before? Why do you repeat. I find that's very common with opponents to the Bible.
Why is that?
Besides... It's a completely wrong assessment and strawmanish from the looks of it. It's looks like one of those made up spur of the moment strawman.

To the question Why do you argue for what you believe, when what you consider convincing, is not remotely so for anybody who is already not a believer?
You said...
To test whether my ideas and beliefs have flaws that I have overlooked so that I may improve upon them. If someone else finds them useful or informative or thought provoking, that is an added bonus.

Tell me please, if no one finds anything you say useful.... What of it? Will you stop posting?
*Shaking my head*
So what, if none of you see Spiderman crawling up RF's pages? *Shaking my head*
Would it take skin off my nose if people keep crying. "No God. I see no evidence of God."
Will that stop me from posting, what they claim they don't see.

Are you suggesting I do?
Are you suggesting I stop counter arguing claims, and presenting evidence?

You don't like that?

Is it because you prefer to hear to hear, "The Bible is myth." "Jesus is a make-belief character." etc.?
Is that what you prefer to hear? Just stated beliefs or claims with no evidence to support it, but just mere opinions? Is that it?
You don't want to hear anything against that?
Is that it?

Come to think of it, I never once saw you ask the many posters on here making unsupported claims, why they post.
Hmm.

 

[PearlSeeker]

Are you saying nothing like the conversion of Paul happened in any other religion? You are aware of Ashoka in Buddhism? There are like a thousand such examples in every religion.

Paul met Jesus (after Jesus was dead) and there is written first hand testimony.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Maybe if ' aliens ' were in the bible or such things were mentioned i might have to consider it .

Whoosh!

The sound of the point flying over your head.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Try any creature

How about "humans"?

that you imagine without it resembling something that exists already . Try imagine something that doesn't already exist in some form or another . Its always interesting when filmmakers try to create a alien or sea monster ,nothing is truly unique. it always resembles something that already exists.

Obviously you have never seen The Blob.
Or Startgate Sg1 with The Ancients.

 

[John1.12]

How about "humans"?



Obviously you have never seen The Blob.
Or Startgate Sg1 with The Ancients.

Can you post a pic ?