dharma_seeker
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Even after Surrendering to GOd and following the Dharma, you may end up doing Paap (knowingly/unknowingly). Who gets the fruits?
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Even after Surrendering to GOd and following the Dharma, you may end up doing Paap (knowingly/unknowingly). Who gets the fruits?
dharma_seeker
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How do we stop accumulating Karma in Buddhism's Karma concept?
Friend Zenzero,
God is not a concept; it is the only Truth. Till we think God is a "concept"; we are under illusion- this is what most Bhakti path people atleast and even the God-realized Advaitins will tell.
Friend Dharma_seeker,
I do not know the concept of Karma in Buddhism, but as per BG, one cannot remain alive without doing Karmas. But, once these Karmas are done as per His wish and the fruits- good or bad- surrendered to Him; then these Karmas have no effect on the life and birth cycle and infact could be vital for liberation.
Regards,
dharma_seeker
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend dharma seeker,
Am neither a buddhist nor a follower of any organised/unorganised religion ; however follow whatever is already known to others.
Personally any activity done with a thinking MIND accumulates *karma*.
Activity with a STILL mind stops the same.
Love & rgds
Am neither a buddhist nor a follower of any organised/unorganised religion ; however follow whatever is already known to others.
Personally any activity done with a thinking MIND accumulates *karma*.
Activity with a STILL mind stops the same.
Love & rgds
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
This truth you wrote here is like the secret to all but so hard to master. To be able to gain control of your thoughts.
I guess it's the ability to let go of all wants.
Maybe like love. To want love is to resist having it and can be found through confidence and assurance you will have it instead.It seems to be found when you let go instead of holding on.
Many people have controlled kingdoms but had no control of themselves.
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Friend Zenzero,
God and Karma are entirely different for most sects. I do not know anyone who uses them as synonymns.
I do not think activity or Karma is possible without any mental activity. Besides, one accumulates Karmas of even the subtle body and causal body besides that done by the gross body. Yes, Nishkaam Karma is possible just as the BG says; that involves giving up the fruits of the Karma at the feet of the God and not stopping the thoughts.
Regards,
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend walkntune,
Now, friend, go deeper as to who is wanting?
The body needs food and that hunger is HERE-NOW and so one just needs to give his body some food, now who is looking for that taste in the food it surely is not the BODY this time!
It is the MIND. The mind here is playing the trick to get one enslaved the MIND itself is the SATAN that every Adam/Eve falls for.
The MIND only DESIRES not wants; wants can be satisfied but Desires never fully satiated it becomes bigger and bigger.
So it is *DESIRING* that one should watch.
This LET GO state opens a the flood gate of existence.
It is like one was only focusing on the small picture but forgetting the background of that picture that makes it beautiful. The background of any picture is vast and both is required [gestalt]
Love & rgds
Now, friend, go deeper as to who is wanting?
The body needs food and that hunger is HERE-NOW and so one just needs to give his body some food, now who is looking for that taste in the food it surely is not the BODY this time!
It is the MIND. The mind here is playing the trick to get one enslaved the MIND itself is the SATAN that every Adam/Eve falls for.
The MIND only DESIRES not wants; wants can be satisfied but Desires never fully satiated it becomes bigger and bigger.
So it is *DESIRING* that one should watch.
Right, once one watches the mind everything is in a state of LET GO it is like the light entering a dark area and darkness recedes or recoils similarly is *AWARENESS* or *CONSCIOUSNESS* it dispels * ignorance*.
This LET GO state opens a the flood gate of existence.
It is like one was only focusing on the small picture but forgetting the background of that picture that makes it beautiful. The background of any picture is vast and both is required [gestalt]
Love & rgds
Flow
NONE
You cant force thoughts to stop. I tried for a year to try to force my thoughts to stop. But when i stopped forcing them to stop, they began to stop on there own. Everything has to happen spontaneously. Dont resist, allow everything to happen. Surrender and all will happen with no effort.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Yes exactly. It seems the more I try to stop them the more they will come.
I believe the secret is in being able to let go of the wants and I know this in my mind but sometimes can't manifest this in my heart.
It is like every want in the mind is telling the heart you do not have or you lack.
I guess this means to just feel how you feel no matter what and don't let your mind try and fix anything?
Flow
NONE
That what my problem, when i would try to stop more would come.
And its funny because the mind does say to the heart, "you dont have this, or that" when the heart is this and that.
Yep.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
To be powerless is to become powerless from trying to be powerless.LOL
When you are weak is when you are strong but so hard to get there.
I found this place before but did not have any understanding and because of ego and selfish pride I fell and have struggled for I found so much wisdom in the heart that my mind has grabbed a hold of the same and hard to get passed.
Everything that was found in faith turned into a fear! Does this make sense?
Flow
NONE
Yes, before I didnt understand, but i do now.
You are just having a time of transformation. Allow it to occur. Whats going to happen will happen, thats the way of the universe. Dont resist it, thats what i did and it cause alot of unnecesarry problems.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
To be beyond karma is to be at peace, to be at peace is to be beyond desire, to be beyond desire is to be empty. Emptiness is THAT in which the natural
'dance' of complementary opposite forces of good and bad karma takes place,..eternally!
This little Taoist piece reflects the wisdom associated with a mind free from conceptual thinking.
Glory and riches, prominence and position, fame and profit,
Personal appearance and style, beauty and cleverness, excitement and memory,
Hatred and desire, pleasure and anger, sadness and joy,
Rejection and acceptance, receiving and giving, knowledge and ability.
When these attributes no longer disturb your heart,
Then you will be correct, being correct, you are calm,
Being calm, you are clear, being clear, you are empty,
Emptiness, the state of doing nothing in which everything get's done.
'dance' of complementary opposite forces of good and bad karma takes place,..eternally!
This little Taoist piece reflects the wisdom associated with a mind free from conceptual thinking.
Glory and riches, prominence and position, fame and profit,
Personal appearance and style, beauty and cleverness, excitement and memory,
Hatred and desire, pleasure and anger, sadness and joy,
Rejection and acceptance, receiving and giving, knowledge and ability.
When these attributes no longer disturb your heart,
Then you will be correct, being correct, you are calm,
Being calm, you are clear, being clear, you are empty,
Emptiness, the state of doing nothing in which everything get's done.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends Toaist & Walkntune,
It is true that *CONTROL* never works with *THOUGHTS* only understanding does!
Have used the word *gestalt* which is to state that one has to accept both the thoughts and no-thoughts as they are and enjoy both.
It is possible not by controlling thoughts BUT simply by being AWARE of them, that they are obstructing no-thoughts.
No-thoughts is the region of the gods and thoughts the region of satan and both are simply two ends of the same pole one positive and the other negative and being in between this two poles is to be balanced, centred.
Love & rgds
It is true that *CONTROL* never works with *THOUGHTS* only understanding does!
Have used the word *gestalt* which is to state that one has to accept both the thoughts and no-thoughts as they are and enjoy both.
It is possible not by controlling thoughts BUT simply by being AWARE of them, that they are obstructing no-thoughts.
No-thoughts is the region of the gods and thoughts the region of satan and both are simply two ends of the same pole one positive and the other negative and being in between this two poles is to be balanced, centred.
Love & rgds
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend satsangi,
Love & rgds
Well there is always a first time for everything. Though it has not been mentioned in the scriptures the way stated but personal experiences verifies it.
You r mind is too attached with the word *GOD* as what you speak of is *surrender* and that has already been explained.
Love & rgds
Friend Zenzero,
Experience is a function of the senses which may not always be true.
My soul, not my mind is attached to God (not a word or concept). My mind is infact trying to attach to many other things...........lol !!! But, with His strength in my soul, I threaten my mind that if it attaches elsewhere, I will abandon it.... and then the mind starts behaving like a good child.
Regards,