Her name was Amber Nicole Thurman ...

[mikkel_the_dane]

But if abortion is a local matter, why blaming the Federal Government?
I can't understand this.

Of course it's horrific, and these states should change their laws immediately.

Who blamed the Federal Government?

 

[McBell]

There is a prostitute that lives in my neighborhood...she never got pregnant.
And she is not sterile.

There is a friend of mine...she has two degrees, she got pregnant and it was an unwanted pregnancy.

Education doesn't make you smarter.

And once again:

WTF does any of that have to do with the fact that the reason she died is because the state made the life saving medical procedure illegal?​

 

[McBell]

But if it were up to me, I would give free healthcare to everyone...and free contraception, of course. Paid for by the Government.

"free... free... paid for by..."

Now you just double talking your double speech.

But if the situation is so unjust in the Bible Belt, there is something called prevention.

I find it interesting with as much as you go on and on about being a juror, you do not want to discuss the actual law....

 

[Estro Felino]

"free... free... paid for by..."

Now you just double talking your double speech.

No ...I am condemning them . I would make abortion free with universal healthcare.

I find it interesting with as much as you go on and on about being a juror, you do not want to discuss the actual law....

Jurist. I am discussing it. It's horrible.

 

[McBell]

No ...I am condemning them . I would make abortion free with universal healthcare.


Jurist. I am discussing it. It's horrible.

You have 8 posts in this thread and have as yet to even mention the law in question...
So no, you are NOT discussing it.

 

[Nakosis]

From ProPublica:

In her final hours, Amber Nicole Thurman suffered from a grave infection that her suburban Atlanta hospital was well-equipped to treat.​

​

She’d taken abortion pills and encountered a rare complication; she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at Piedmont Henry Hospital in need of a routine procedure to clear it from her uterus, called a dilation and curettage, or D&C.​

​

But just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony, with few exceptions. Any doctor who violated the new Georgia law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison.​

​

Thurman waited in pain in a hospital bed, worried about what would happen to her 6-year-old son, as doctors monitored her infection spreading, her blood pressure sinking and her organs beginning to fail.​

​

It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then, it was too late.​

Elections have consequences ...

The doctors were either not familiar with Georgia law:

If you’re past around 6 weeks pregnant, you may need to travel out of Georgia to get an abortion unless you qualify for an exception. Exceptions are very limited and include:

To save the pregnant person's life
To preserve the pregnant person's physical health
If the fetus is not expected to survive the pregnancy
If the pregnancy is a result of rape and/or incest.
Where Can I Get an Abortion? | U.S. Abortion Clinic Locator

Or there were other reasons the needed medical procedure was delayed.
Definitely tragic but can't be blame on the laws against abortion.

 

[Estro Felino]

The doctors were either not familiar with Georgia law:

If you’re past around 6 weeks pregnant, you may need to travel out of Georgia to get an abortion unless you qualify for an exception. Exceptions are very limited and include:

To save the pregnant person's life
To preserve the pregnant person's physical health
If the fetus is not expected to survive the pregnancy
If the pregnancy is a result of rape and/or incest.
Where Can I Get an Abortion? | U.S. Abortion Clinic Locator

Or there were other reasons the needed medical procedure was delayed.
Definitely tragic but can't be blame on the laws against abortion.

In Europe there are mothers who force their teenage girls to take the pill.
By the time they are 25, their ovaries are dried up.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

In Europe there are mothers who force their teenage girls to take the pill.
By the time they are 25, their ovaries are dried up.

Yes, but it is not relevant to the post or thread.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In Europe there are mothers who force their teenage girls to take the pill.
By the time they are 25, their ovaries are dried up.

I'm sure you can find idiots in all corners of the world.
However, none of this is relevant here.

 

[Pogo]

In Europe there are mothers who force their teenage girls to take the pill.
By the time they are 25, their ovaries are dried up.

This is just quackery. first you are telling us how responsible people are and not getting pregnant and now you say it is forced and then that the pil causes infertility by age 25. Add this to your other nonsense and it isn't even good comedy any more.

 

[Nakosis]

In Europe there are mothers who force their teenage girls to take the pill.
By the time they are 25, their ovaries are dried up.

By age 30, 90% of a woman's eggs are gone.
For Women Who Want Kids, 'the Sooner the Better': 90 Percent of Eggs Gone By Age 30

Things like smoking and being overweight can also decrease a woman's fertility. No doubt they should make the public more aware of these tradeoffs.

 

[Pogo]

The doctors were either not familiar with Georgia law:

If you’re past around 6 weeks pregnant, you may need to travel out of Georgia to get an abortion unless you qualify for an exception. Exceptions are very limited and include:

To save the pregnant person's life
To preserve the pregnant person's physical health
If the fetus is not expected to survive the pregnancy
If the pregnancy is a result of rape and/or incest.
Where Can I Get an Abortion? | U.S. Abortion Clinic Locator

Or there were other reasons the needed medical procedure was delayed.
Definitely tragic but can't be blame on the laws against abortion.

No the blame is on the confusion generated by these laws and how they are or could be enforced causing doctors not to take actions in fear of the repercussions. Do doctors now need training in the day to day interpretation of the latest missive from the government.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The doctors were either not familiar with Georgia law:

If you’re past around 6 weeks pregnant, you may need to travel out of Georgia to get an abortion unless you qualify for an exception. Exceptions are very limited and include:

To save the pregnant person's life
To preserve the pregnant person's physical health
If the fetus is not expected to survive the pregnancy
If the pregnancy is a result of rape and/or incest.
Where Can I Get an Abortion? | U.S. Abortion Clinic Locator

Or there were other reasons the needed medical procedure was delayed.
Definitely tragic but can't be blame on the laws against abortion.

From the ProPublica article ...

Though Republican lawmakers who voted for state bans on abortion say the laws have exceptions to protect the “life of the mother,” medical experts cautioned that the language is not rooted in science and ignores the fast-moving realities of medicine.​

​

The most restrictive state laws, experts predicted, would pit doctors’ fears of prosecution against their patients’ health needs, requiring providers to make sure their patient was inarguably on the brink of death or facing “irreversible” harm when they intervened with procedures like a D&C.​

​

“They would feel the need to wait for a higher blood pressure, wait for a higher fever — really got to justify this one — bleed a little bit more,” Dr. Melissa Kottke, an OB-GYN at Emory, warned lawmakers in 2019 during one of the hearings over Georgia’s ban.​

​

Doctors and a nurse involved in Thurman’s care declined to explain their thinking and did not respond to questions from ProPublica. Communications staff from the hospital did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Georgia’s Department of Public Health, which oversees the state maternal mortality review committee, said it cannot comment on ProPublica’s reporting because the committee’s cases are confidential and protected by federal law.​

You can't blame the laws. Thanks for sharing.

More from ProPublica ...

... since abortion was banned or restricted in 22 states over the past two years, women in serious danger have been turned away from emergency rooms and told that they needed to be in more peril before doctors could help. Some have been forced to continue high-risk pregnancies that threatened their lives. Those whose pregnancies weren’t even viable have been told they could return when they were “crashing.”​

​

Such stories have been at the center of the upcoming presidential election, during which the right to abortion is on the ballot in 10 states.​

​

But Republican legislators have rejected small efforts to expand and clarify health exceptions — even in Georgia, which has one of the nation’s highest rates of maternal mortality and where Black women are three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related complications than white women.​

​

When its law went into effect in July 2022, Gov. Brian Kemp said he was “overjoyed” and believed the state had found an approach that would keep women “safe, healthy and informed.”​

​

After advocates tried to block the ban in court, arguing the law put women in danger, attorneys for the state of Georgia accused them of “hyperbolic fear mongering.”​

​

Two weeks later, Thurman was dead.​

In my opinion, apologists who opine that her death was "definitely tragic but can't be blame on the laws against abortion" are a significant part of the problem.

 

[Father Heathen]

I know, right?

It's like responding to a story about a woman being brutally gang raped by asking "did she wear a sexy miniskirt?"

She also blames the victims of Putin's invasion and war crimes. It's sick.

 

[Father Heathen]

And once again:

WTF does any of that have to do with the fact that the reason she died is because the state made the life saving medical procedure illegal?​

It's desperate deflection in an attempt to defend the conservatives.

 

[sayak83]

From ProPublica:

In her final hours, Amber Nicole Thurman suffered from a grave infection that her suburban Atlanta hospital was well-equipped to treat.​

​

She’d taken abortion pills and encountered a rare complication; she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at Piedmont Henry Hospital in need of a routine procedure to clear it from her uterus, called a dilation and curettage, or D&C.​

​

But just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony, with few exceptions. Any doctor who violated the new Georgia law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison.​

​

Thurman waited in pain in a hospital bed, worried about what would happen to her 6-year-old son, as doctors monitored her infection spreading, her blood pressure sinking and her organs beginning to fail.​

​

It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then, it was too late.​

Elections have consequences ...

Ah. But it would not move many hearts. To Christian and Muslim fundamentalists, abortion is murder. So she should have been hanged for murder anyway. A just death ....they would say.

 

[Wirey]

Honestly I can't understand how she could afford abortion pills, but couldn't afford a package of Yasminelle.
Hormonal pills.

This really shocks me. We all take hormonal pills... and despite some side effect, we are alive.

I am sorry...but I cannot empathize. Birth control is infinitely much cheaper than abortion pills.

Either that's needlessly cold-blooded, or you're the first person since Jesus who never did anything wrong.

 

[Estro Felino]

This is just quackery. first you are telling us how responsible people are and not getting pregnant and now you say it is forced and then that the pil causes infertility by age 25. Add this to your other nonsense and it isn't even good comedy any more.

I have already said that in the long run the laws must change in Georgia.
But in the short run a little bit of sacrifice is needed.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's desperate deflection in an attempt to defend the conservatives.

There's much worse.
In my country a woman in her twenties said on a TV talk show that some years earlier she had a traumatic experience. She had to have an abortion and went to a counselling center. There a physician visited her, and seeing that she was willing to have an abortion, he yelled at her: "you young people have to stop it to have sex without contraceptives", he kinda belittled her and insulted her.
Then she had to undergo the psychological visit...and finally the day of abortion, she saw that the nurses were giggling at her behind her back.
Something like: "she had fun having unprotected sex, the little tr.." and other insulting comments.

 

[crossfire]

From the ProPublica article ...

Though Republican lawmakers who voted for state bans on abortion say the laws have exceptions to protect the “life of the mother,” medical experts cautioned that the language is not rooted in science and ignores the fast-moving realities of medicine.​

​

The most restrictive state laws, experts predicted, would pit doctors’ fears of prosecution against their patients’ health needs, requiring providers to make sure their patient was inarguably on the brink of death or facing “irreversible” harm when they intervened with procedures like a D&C.​

​

“They would feel the need to wait for a higher blood pressure, wait for a higher fever — really got to justify this one — bleed a little bit more,” Dr. Melissa Kottke, an OB-GYN at Emory, warned lawmakers in 2019 during one of the hearings over Georgia’s ban.​

​

Doctors and a nurse involved in Thurman’s care declined to explain their thinking and did not respond to questions from ProPublica. Communications staff from the hospital did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Georgia’s Department of Public Health, which oversees the state maternal mortality review committee, said it cannot comment on ProPublica’s reporting because the committee’s cases are confidential and protected by federal law.​

You can't blame the laws. Thanks for sharing.

More from ProPublica ...

... since abortion was banned or restricted in 22 states over the past two years, women in serious danger have been turned away from emergency rooms and told that they needed to be in more peril before doctors could help. Some have been forced to continue high-risk pregnancies that threatened their lives. Those whose pregnancies weren’t even viable have been told they could return when they were “crashing.”​

​

Such stories have been at the center of the upcoming presidential election, during which the right to abortion is on the ballot in 10 states.​

​

But Republican legislators have rejected small efforts to expand and clarify health exceptions — even in Georgia, which has one of the nation’s highest rates of maternal mortality and where Black women are three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related complications than white women.​

​

When its law went into effect in July 2022, Gov. Brian Kemp said he was “overjoyed” and believed the state had found an approach that would keep women “safe, healthy and informed.”​

​

After advocates tried to block the ban in court, arguing the law put women in danger, attorneys for the state of Georgia accused them of “hyperbolic fear mongering.”​

​

Two weeks later, Thurman was dead.​

In my opinion, apologists who opine that her death was "definitely tragic but can't be blame on the laws against abortion" are a significant part of the problem.

Don't forget this morsel from the article:

The availability of D&Cs for both abortions and routine miscarriage care helped save lives after the 1973 Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, studies show, reducing the rate of maternal deaths for women of color by up to 40% the first year after abortion became legal.​