Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Yet, you telling me this is inconsistent with what your words convey and reveal about your emotions on the subject. It's fine if homosexuality upsets you, but have you tried to understand why it does?
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"High School Students Crowned America's First Lesbian Homecoming Couple"
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Yet, you telling me this is inconsistent with what your words convey and reveal about your emotions on the subject. It's fine if homosexuality upsets you, but have you tried to understand why it does?
I'm going to have to side with Manfred here. He's claimed that the award shouldn't have been given because it's for king and queen, not because it's a homosexual couple. If it was an award for homecoming couple, rather than king and queen, then I feel the award can be given to the homosexual couple. Although I still feel that the statement of equal rights from the article is a valid, and powerful one.
That doesn't work on me, either.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Yes, I see that honest appeals for you to sincerely examine your issues doesn't work. Good luck with that.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i think it's a statement that the students were trying to convey...
"homophobia is real but not in this school."
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
I would like to tell everyone in this thread that I am NOT upset NOT at all and I'm going to post it as OFTEN as I possibly can how much this does NOT BOTHER ME IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM EXCEPT I THINK IT IS WRONG.
*cough*
While they could have changed the name of King and Queen to Homecoming Queen and Queen (or King/King or royal couple or president and vice president) they didn't. And yet the people who mattered in the decision, the students who voted, decided that the title wasn't as important as what it symbolized.
Threads like this sometimes make me want to post the pic of Lady Liberty kissing Lady Justice with the big "YOU LOST." at the bottom of it.
*cough*
While they could have changed the name of King and Queen to Homecoming Queen and Queen (or King/King or royal couple or president and vice president) they didn't. And yet the people who mattered in the decision, the students who voted, decided that the title wasn't as important as what it symbolized.
Threads like this sometimes make me want to post the pic of Lady Liberty kissing Lady Justice with the big "YOU LOST." at the bottom of it.
Skwim
Veteran Member
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Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
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Good for those students for a willingness to look beyond cultural norms.
However, I did think that homecoming king and queen were simply the most popular / involved male and female in the school. I've never experienced it where the two had to be an actual couple, as in dating each other. I've rarely experienced it where the two actually even had to be running together.... it's almost always been a completely separate vote.
However, I did think that homecoming king and queen were simply the most popular / involved male and female in the school. I've never experienced it where the two had to be an actual couple, as in dating each other. I've rarely experienced it where the two actually even had to be running together.... it's almost always been a completely separate vote.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
This is absurd. I haven't read all the posts on this thread, so I am probably repeating what others have said, but if I was the girl who was crowned King, I'd be offended. Lesbians are FEMALES. She's not a "king" - she's a "queen."
As others have said, these (outdated and in my opinion ridiculous) popularity contests have nothing to do with whether or not the kids involved are a couple - in fact, they rarely are.
With that in mind, I'd say this event was at least in part finagled, and certainly exploited, by special interest groups.
As others have said, these (outdated and in my opinion ridiculous) popularity contests have nothing to do with whether or not the kids involved are a couple - in fact, they rarely are.
With that in mind, I'd say this event was at least in part finagled, and certainly exploited, by special interest groups.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
It seems to vary school by school. I've seen some where couples run together, I've seen some where they're technically separate but the popular couples are elected together and some where they're totally separate and you end up standing next to someone you don't really know.
I think she was happy that she and her girlfriend won more than anything.
As others have said, these (outdated and in my opinion ridiculous) popularity contests have nothing to do with whether or not the kids involved are a couple - in fact, they rarely are.
With that in mind, I'd say this event was at least in part finagled, and certainly exploited, by special interest groups.[/QUOTE]
As noted, it depends on the school. But I'm curious to hear what "special interest groups" arranged the vote of students against the students' will. There's no mention of open outside involvement, and the idea that there was a secret shadow campaign that somehow "finagled" the win of a lesbian couple for Homecoming King and Queen seems farfetched at best.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I don't have any proof of this. It's pure speculation. But it was obviously supported and allowed by school authorities, who in my opinion at the least should have clarified that KING means MALE.
So - this outcome was allowed by the school administration at the very least. On the off chance that you've been living under a rock for the past 30 or so years, let me remind you that many people believe that our public school system can be a special interest group when it comes to supporting and pushing a liberal agenda.
So - this outcome was allowed by the school administration at the very least. On the off chance that you've been living under a rock for the past 30 or so years, let me remind you that many people believe that our public school system can be a special interest group when it comes to supporting and pushing a liberal agenda.
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Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
I think that the kids know that a king is typically a male and I think they didn't care. At ages 14-18, I'm going to guess high school students are familiar with the term.
See, now you're complaining that this was "allowed" rather than that it was "finagled." This makes me think you really would have liked to see a news story about this couple being banned from being Homecoming "royalty" (if you prefer the generic.)
These kids not only had a liberal agenda, they had a gay agenda too right?
You know, wake up, go to high school, pass Spanish, overthrow traditional gender roles and cause mass chaos, make sure people can marry their pet turtles, finish calculus homework, go home and watch the newest episode of Community.
Or they just wanted to participate in a school tradition. And they were, like royalty before them, popular. And they won because their friends like them. The only people hung up on the gender of the king appear to be people who don't matter because they don't get to vote because they're not students at this high school.
I don't matter either for the same reason, but I'm not telling the students they were wrong wrong wrong wrong for not knowing the kings are boys and boys should be kings.
"King" means "hereditary ruler", too. A homecoming king is in no sense an actual king. It's just a word... one that's been mangled by applying it to homecoming "kings" in the first place. It's a bit late to appeal to some misguided notion of purity of the original term.
Especially since it boils down to a circular argument anyway:
"Why can't a homecoming king be a girl?" "Because kings are guys."
"But why did you call it 'king' in the first place?" "Because we wanted to restrict it to guys."
It really just boils down to "we don't want a girl in this position because we don't like it."
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
Though I agree and didn't give a rat's rear about this sort of thing in school, I'm sure this is a defining moment for them and inspires others. And for that reason, these sort of (pointless and nonsensical) activities serve purpose and gives kids things to look forward to.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well, let's just call them all "Homecoming Royalty." You know good and damn well that "king" is a term used for MEN and "queen" is a term used for WOMEN. And for the record, neither term has anything to do with sexuality.
The whole thing is ridiculous. I'm so uninterested in it that I'm not even going to argue about it anymore.
The whole thing is ridiculous. I'm so uninterested in it that I'm not even going to argue about it anymore.
Me Myself
Back to my username
Yay!
xD
I can understand this reasoning, and also that´s why I could understand a male popular guy complaining.
But if the general students voted for the case being the case, and the lesbians/gays in question are okay with it, I do would be of opinion that too bad for them, and let´s just yay at the gay "couple"
xD
I can understand this reasoning, and also that´s why I could understand a male popular guy complaining.
But if the general students voted for the case being the case, and the lesbians/gays in question are okay with it, I do would be of opinion that too bad for them, and let´s just yay at the gay "couple"
Me Myself
Back to my username
This. I agree alot with.
That said I am glad somewhere people can be liberal enough to let this happen
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
"Two California high school students became one of the first lesbian couples crowned homecoming king and queen in the nation this weekend.The times, they have indeed changed.
Rebeca Arellano, a senior at Patrick Henry High School, was made the school's first female homecoming king when her name was announced Friday at a pep rally.
Arellano's girlfriend, Haileigh Adams, who also attends Patrick Henry High School, was made homecoming queen at Saturday night's dance.
"We have a lot of support, but there are also a lot of people who are angry about it," she said. "Anonymous Patrick Henry students are saying they're embarrassed and that it's wrong for a girl to take the spot of king. But there's no other way for us to run as a couple. It's not really fair for us not to have the right to run as a couple."
source
Awesome....:yes:
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
So the students didn't give a damn, why should you?
If you were really uninterested you wouldn't have had to tell us so. Instead you seem quite interested in telling us how wrong everyone else is! How shocking! The couple in question acknowledged that they just wanted to run as a couple, and probably wouldn't have cared if it were two queens, but the school and/or student body did it the way they did it.
Why does this require outrage and anger?