Hillary says FBI, Russians, and misogyny cost her the Presidency

[metis]

What should happen right now is for her to disappear from the public political sphere and make room for someone who can actually be competitive in the current political climate while having integrity and honesty.

Which is why I personally wanted Kaine, not Hillary, to be on top. He's unexciting, not at all photogenic, a boring speaker, which is why I liked his style. Ya, I know that doesn't make sense, but what I saw in him was someone who I believe was and is authentic, fair, and compassionate towards others.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Which is why I personally wanted Kaine, not Hillary, to be on top. He's unexciting, not at all photogenic, a boring speaker, which is why I liked his style. Ya, I know that doesn't make sense, but what I saw in him was someone who I believe was and is authentic, fair, and compassionate towards others.

I'm not familiar with him, but I imagine that it's not very hard to be better than Hillary. She did set the bar pretty low. Hopefully he'll get a chance to be on the front if he's good enough.

 

[Revoltingest]

Saying that mysogyny was a factor doesn't mean that her being a women was the only reason for hating her, nor does it mean that if people hated her they were necessarily mysogynistic.

I think she was held to different standards than a man; she had to be just that much better in order to get the same respect men often naturally receive. I think this was apparent in some of the attacks on her, from her appearance, to her health and "fitness", to the fact that she was attacked for remaining married to a cheater (note: it wasn't that she cheated; it was that she stayed with a cheater.).

And like racism, there will be some people that simply won't vote for a woman because they believe that women shouldn't be in such a position.

We shouldn't call "racism" or "mysogyny" whenever a person of color or a woman is denied something. But that doesn't mean that actual racism and mysogyny don't exist.

She was certainly held to different standards.
A man would've had a lack of military service questioned.
Trump's draft deferments were an issue.
Her deferment wasn't.
Who has it worse?
It's arguable.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I really liked how she tried to worm her way into saying she was part of the #Resistance... staying home a lot while giving speeches and interviews for cash.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I don't think she understands the word, "misogyny".

Yep, she needs a male Trump supporter to school her on it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep, she needs a male Trump supporter to school her on it.

Clearly.

But I caution people who might read your post as dismissing one's opinion on the basis of being male.
Meta-sexism, you know.

 

[Falvlun]

She was certainly held to different standards.
A man would've had a lack of military service questioned.
Trump's draft deferments were an issue.
Her deferment wasn't.
Who has it worse?
It's arguable.

Lack of military service obviously isn't, in itself, a bar to the presidency. If it was then you might have a point.

Trump's deferments were an issue because of the sleazy way he achieved them and how he talked about it afterwards. Did Hilary brag that not getting an STD was her version of the Vietnam War?

Like most things about Trump, it isn't what he does that's the issue; it's his inability to keep his foot out of his mouth.

 

[pearl]

Frankly, I think that the BernieBros were a really big factor. Hillary's biggest mistake may have been gifting him with a place onstage.

I liked Bernie, agreed with his message, but was afraid he would be branded as a socialist/communist by Trump and his ilk. I remember when Dukarkus, a liberal, ran for president and the other side flooded the ads with himself and 'Willy Horton', it killed him.

 

[columbus]

I liked Bernie, agreed with his message, but was afraid he would be branded as a socialist/communist by Trump and his ilk. I remember when Dukarkus, a liberal, ran for president and the other side flooded the ads with himself and 'Willy Horton', it killed him.

Exactly.
I liked Bernie's vision for the USA. Not everything, but more than any other candidate.
By a lot!
But I didn't think he had a snowballs chance of getting elected, much less implementing any of it. That's why he never got further, politically, than Vermont. His vision just didn't have national appeal.
Tom

 

[pearl]

She's a failure and a complicit war criminal who voted for the Iraq War.

Where were the public protests against the Iraq war, or the bashing of it in the news media? I think there was an overall fear of seeming unpatriotic. How was anyone to know that those in power hadn't a clue as to the type of war or the consequences to the entire Middle East. The first rule of war, know your enemy, clearly they did not. At least Hillary has had the humility to acknowledge it was wrong.

 

[columbus]

Clearly.

But I caution people who might read your post as dismissing one's opinion on the basis of being male.
Meta-sexism, you know.

Heh.
Try being a gay guy touting responsible procreation. Sexism and homophobia both.

Tom

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Nothing like keeping up the skeer:

'I would be your president' if not for WikiLeaks and FBI, Clinton says

What does she hope to accomplish making statements like this? Isn't the American political divide wide enough?

She lost because she was never a viable candidate from the start. This should have been clear after she lost the primary to Obama - a black guy who nobody had ever heard of.

As far as misogyny being a factor, I think it was, but it wouldn't have been as much if she wasn't so unlikable and untrustworthy to start with. In other words, her bad qualities were exacerbated by the fact that she is a woman.

Hillary won only 54% of the female vote. I suspect that 46% of women are not misogynists. Although, I could be wrong.

Basically, I don't think Hillary has any real idea why she lost, or why she couldn't even win a gimme election for the Democrats, and has never been in-touch enough to understand anything beyond her own ambition and goals. And, people can clearly see this. Whether they see it more clearly in her because she's a woman, I don't know. I do suspect that people (men and women), generally speaking, punish unscrupulousness in women more than men. But, I don't know if I would chalk this up to misogyny or not.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Meh. Maybe she shouldn't have conspired with the DNC to literally steal the primaries from Bernie.

 

[columbus]

Meh. Maybe she shouldn't have conspired with the DNC to literally steal the primaries from Bernie.

You sound like the sort of BernieBros I am talking about. She didn't steal anything. But you guys did help Trump get elected and were probably more of a factor than Putin.
Tom

 

[Nous]

In the snippet I caught of this interview, it seemed Clinton was trying to help to connect the dots in the Trump-Russian-Wikileaks conspiracy. And what, after all, could be more important or more pressing at this point than to help Americans understand those connections? Good for her.

The White House maintains that it was unaware of any links to the Kremlin, and the details of the investigations are classified. But select members of Congress who oversee the intelligence agencies have access to the findings. Recently, one of them, Senator Mark Warner, of Virginia, the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, privately told friends that he puts the odds at two to one against Trump completing a full term. (Warner’s spokesperson said that the Senator was “not referring specifically to the Russia investigation, but rather the totality of challenges the President is currently facing.”)​

How Trump Could Get Fired

 

[Revoltingest]

Lack of military service obviously isn't, in itself, a bar to the presidency. If it was then you might have a point.

Trump's deferments were an issue because of the sleazy way he achieved them and how he talked about it afterwards. Did Hilary brag that not getting an STD was her version of the Vietnam War?

Like most things about Trump, it isn't what he does that's the issue; it's his inability to keep his foot out of his mouth.

On that last point, I agree.
But it appears he turned that into an asset during his campaign.

 

[Revoltingest]

Heh.
Try being a gay guy touting responsible procreation. Sexism and homophobia both.

Tom

Our paths are complex.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Nothing like keeping up the skeer:

'I would be your president' if not for WikiLeaks and FBI, Clinton says

What does she hope to accomplish making statements like this? Isn't the American political divide wide enough?

I would be president if people didn't find out that I lied to them!!!!!

WAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

Give me a break.

 

[Nakosis]

Nothing like keeping up the skeer:

'I would be your president' if not for WikiLeaks and FBI, Clinton says

What does she hope to accomplish making statements like this? Isn't the American political divide wide enough?

She lost to Trump. Still must be really hard for her to swallow. All the polls had her winning. Main Stream Media predicted her winning. She believed with 100% confidence she was going to be the first female president.

Belief and $2.50 will get you a cup of coffee not the presidency.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Meh. Maybe she shouldn't have conspired with the DNC to literally steal the primaries from Bernie.

Practically you mean?