मैत्रावरुणिः;3663647 said:
First of all, why would you write such a thing in the HinduDIR?
Because I would say true spirituality or religion lies in being honest enough to point the facts , no matter how much you would like to sweep them up under the carpet imagining they don't exist.
मैत्रावरुणिः;3663647 said:
Secondly, why would I need to say that Hinduism is "barely progressive"? "Hinduism" is constantly being refined - it is the least static collection of belief systems on the planet. Its dynamic nature is evident in the fact that it is a conglomeration of theological schools of thought that have sprung up and died over time.
The benchmark over here is whether it is progressive enough to the point where a large segment of its population, i.e the untouchables are having their human rights secured or is it violated by the rest of the hindus.
The belief systems , with its views on impurity of the untouchables have done them great harm in the past. Is the system dynamic enough to ensure that this will reduce substantially or will not happen in the future again.
The term 'untouchable' itself is a blot on human dignity.
मैत्रावरुणिः;3663647 said:
What I still fail to understand is why you are digressing from the factual points about caste-discrimination being a global reality into blaming "Hinduism" as a whole as "barely progressive"?
The so-called global reality, exists only to a certain extent in sikhism, christianity and islam.
The root cause however is in hinduism, as these religions do not have an intrinsic caste system within their folds.
Conversions to Buddhism by the dalits, is also happening substantially and the converted dalits have no issues there . I remember also your disrespectful reference to Lord Buddha.
' Buddha? A Bhagvan? '
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/hinduism-dir/158117-why-did-shirdi-sai-baba-eat-8.html
मैत्रावरुणिः;3663647 said:
Irresponsible statement? Aren't you the one who is irresponsibly condemning Hinduism as a whole for a societal evil that is unfounded and unsupported in Shruti? This would be like me saying that Islam is the reason for suicide bombings and that Christianity is the reason for imperialism and slavery of colonized folks. Don't you see how ridiculous your statement is?
The shrutis also maintain that the smritis should be changed in time . This has not taken place in hinduism.
I also remember your opposition to the phrase 'Vasudeiva Kudumbakam -- The whole world is one family' taken in a universalistic sense , as in your opinion it is of a socio-political context.
The fact of the phrase ' Vasudeiva Kudumbakam -- The whole world is one family' taken in a universalistic sense by most spiritual masters in their lectures, is emphatically interpreted by you of being not that of a universalistic sense but of a socio-political sense, shows that something is indeed wrong with the system which is producing such narrowmindedness.
मैत्रावरुणिः;3663647 said:
If you ask any anthropologist, he/she will relay the observable notion that the mere existence of such societal systems that transcend religious boundaries are products of socio-culutral paradigms. Which makes your point about Hinduism being the cause moot.
The root cause however is in hinduism, as these religions do not have an intrinsic caste system within their folds.
मैत्रावरुणिः;3663647 said:
And, I know of countless Dalits and Christians that do have a problem. Thus, your point is?
The vast majority of the 500 million muslims in the subcontinent actually springs from the lower castes and untouchables.
मैत्रावरुणिः;3663647 said:
I know what you said. That's the reason why I asked for a highly detailed, constructive response on solutions. What you are doing right now is basically condemning, not progressively offering tangible solutions, solutions that make sense objectively. It shouldn't be that difficult, unless your sole purpose of this diatribe is to paint "Hinduism" as a social evil.
And my answer as above is to spread awareness, instead of gloating over the beauties of hinduism and sweeping the ugly stuff under the carpet , ignoring the reality as it is.
You can also do this on your own.
There are great social evils in hinduism, which has forced me to write these posts.
I wish it was not, but it is.
As Ambedkar had stated ,
' A people and their religion must be judged by social standards based on social ethics. No other standard would have any meaning if religion is held to be necessary and good for the well-being of the people.'
Religion is essentially meant for the progression of man to greater heights, not his regression to lower depths. And this is what the vedic religion itself was essentially meant to be, by the example of Satyakama Jabala, the illegitimate son of a prostitute who became through exemplary character and wisdom, a renowned Rishi.
