It was more directed to the nature of the OP, I didn’t read the previous posts. Thanks for your response though!
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Historical Accuracy in Scripture
- Thread starter SalixIncendium
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Any education can be indoctrination... It is undoubtedly ridiculous to make someone believe that if they do not go to university they will be indoctrinated or they will not be a cultured and educated person, and if they go to university they will not be. Psss, the things we are forced to read online!!!! 
Most likely, not even the vast majority of those who make so much apology for higher education here, just with the aim of showing contempt for believers and offending them by calling them ignorant, have taken a higher course in their entire lives...
The administration of internet forums should censor atheist posts with that line of argument... and deprogram all bots with that kind of offensive comments in their databases, so they can not post that kind of insults against other real forumers any more.
Most likely, not even the vast majority of those who make so much apology for higher education here, just with the aim of showing contempt for believers and offending them by calling them ignorant, have taken a higher course in their entire lives...
The administration of internet forums should censor atheist posts with that line of argument... and deprogram all bots with that kind of offensive comments in their databases, so they can not post that kind of insults against other real forumers any more.
Audie
Veteran Member
Or one of the millions of EDUCATED Christians
who understand the "flood" did
not happen, as proved 10,000 times over.
Some followers of themselves think
they know more geology, physics, biology,
chemistry than any researcher on earth.
True Christians are educated by Christ (which is why they bear his name), not by the world.
Mark 8:38 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Denying the Flood as a real event is denying Jesus in order to side with the world and the false knowledge of it.
Matt. 24:37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
That attitude is very common in Christendom: to negate Jesus and posing as Christians.
Mark 8:38 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Denying the Flood as a real event is denying Jesus in order to side with the world and the false knowledge of it.
Matt. 24:37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
That attitude is very common in Christendom: to negate Jesus and posing as Christians.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Sorry Eli, but Jesus doens't come down from heaven and talk to Christians. Christians learn from pastors, teachers, books, etc., same as everyone else.
A large part of what we know about one small corner of 'the universal history' was obtained from the Tanakh ─ a corner retrospectively relevant to cultures affected by Abrahamic religion. Even in the 21st century its relevance to India and most of Asia is very slight, for instance.
Some of it is religious folklore, some of it is folk-history and overlaps with real history in places, and some of it is informative of the politics practices and some events of particular times and places. It also gives some insight into the politics and political concerns in some cases.
It derives some its early lore from Semitic Mesopotamia, and that lore was greatly influenced by the lore of the earlier Sumerian culture. It's of interest that Abraham is said to have come from Ur, a Sumerian town with Semitic presences; but that doesn't remove Abraham from the 'legendary' list.
And falsified too, by history and archaeology, of course. Was there a real Abraham? A real Moses? Was there even an Egyptian Captivity? Where is the archaeological record of Solomon's reign? Was he a great king, or a local leader elevated in later stories? We'll find the correct answers in the ground and to some extent in ancient writings.
No, we find the roots of Western culture among the Greeks, who following Alexander's conquest were a great influence on the Jewish peoples. Philosophy, maths, literature, art, architecture, ideals of beauty and symmetry, medicine, the interrogating and debating of ideas, even one of the earliest coherent 'description' of the Classical underworld (Plato's 'Myth of Er'). The Christian idea of souls is Greek (the Jewish tradition begin resurrection). Neo-platonism, and the recovery of lost Greek influences via the Muslim empire in Spain, triggered the renaissance, and led in time to the Enlightenment.
So it's not a matter of dismissing the Tanakh and the NT as (quite separate) historical records, which they are of their kind, but of getting the history of our own civilization, and then the history of the world's other civilizations, into perspective.
Are you a Christian?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I am a Jew and a human being. What was the point of your question?Are you a Christian?
I have not said the opposite. That is precisely what I have been saying. Neither is the Bible a Science book, nor does it include every aspect of Human History, but only what was related to the line that goes from Adam to Jesus, and then the first century followers of Jesus. But in that context we learn about Egypt, Babylon, the Medo-Persian empire, the Greek empire, and then the Roman empire. If you knew how much we Jehovah's Witnesses study these ancient empires and their different kings at different stages of the ancient history of God's people, you would understand what I mean.
But most critics of Jehovah's Witnesses have no idea how educated we are in these topics. It's embarrassing to have to read them say so many things that they really don't know anything about, just in order to talk more. I feel sorry to see how many people have been indoctrinated to hate and despise believers without knowing anything factual about them.
PS: Consult our official website and you will have just a little piece of our high education in dozens of scientific, social, historical topics, etc. Actually, it is the most translated website of the entire network: in more than 1000 languages, like no other website you may know, nor scientific, political, religious institutions... not even universities.
Then what can you know better than me, a real Christian, about Christians?
Just ask and you will know first hand ... Don't teach me about Christians or Christianism.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It has nothing to do with "knowing about Christians." It has to do with knowing how God works, and especially, how God does NOT work.Then what can you know better than me, a real Christian, about Christians?
Just ask and you will know first hand ... Don't teach me about Christians or Christianism.
Are you claiming that Christians hear the voice of God with their ears?
Am I?
Huh? What's an 'atheist post', and what are atheists saying that you disagree with?
The administration of internet forums should censor atheist posts with that line of argument... and deprogram all bots with that kind of offensive comments in their databases, so they can not post that kind of insults against other real forumers any more.
What are these insults you speak of? Are they false?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I dont' know. That's why I asked.Am I?
We can know from Jesus learning from his words that are registered in the Bible
... like the ones I quoted before where Jesus considers the Flood as a real past event. Jesus even mentioned details that are not in the written story in Hebrew, about a human population very busy in its own business and completely neglecting Noah's warnings of what would happen. Jesus said that the conditions before the judgment of this human system of things would be similar. That does not allow for a metaphorical event but a very real historical fact.
Jesus talked about Moses (John 3:14) and about Adan and Eve also (Matt. 19:4-6). He considered those facts and persons as historic.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The gospels are simply collections of legends about Jesus. The truth is, we really don't know the things Jesus said, since he never wrote them down.
That's exactly what atheists say about the Hebrew Scriptures.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
And some religious Jews say it too. The thing is, our Judaism doesn't depend on the stories being historically accurate. Christianity on the other hand very much does depend on a historical crucifixion and resurrection.That's exactly what atheists say about the Hebrew Scriptures.
Isn't this like saying that if someone was right about a lot of things, but wrong about some things, that therefore you shouldn't listen to anything at all that they say? How much sense does that make?
That is exactly why so many atheists exist. You force them to throw out everything because it isn't 100% accurate about everything it says. That's a perfect recipe to destroy you own faith as well if you find even one error. Or, it makes you live in complete denial of facts because you are afraid to lose your faith, because you made it dependent upon such an impossible goal. That's not a good recipe for a healthy faith, when you have to deny reality in order to protect your ideas.