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Holes in the trinity

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Actually you do not read exactly what is there.
in
beginning
was (obviously the wrong verb tense) "for they are all living to YHVH"
the
word
and
the
word
was
with
the
god
and
god
was
the
word
Don't parse meaning with me. We all read translations that make semantic sense. Hence:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
It is in English. Is it not? It was written in an ancient and foreign language. Was it not?
What does this have to do with what we were talking about?
"Other people decided the canon" and you lean on what they decided it means.
Interpretation is best undertaken in community. Xy is, after all, a communal, and not an individual religion. It's the sense of the community that's important.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
What do I say it means? Do I say it means that every purpose of God is linked to God's son? Is this not true?
Not necessarily. That certainly doesn't hold true for what the Hebrew texts tell us.
Plus the fact that John 1 has nothing to do with "every purpose of God." That's simply not the subject of John's opening.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Is every purpose of God linked to God's son? Can the will of God ever be separated from the love of God's son?
Not every purpose. I don't see where "linking God's will to Jesus' love" is cogent to the verse under question.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Not necessarily. That certainly doesn't hold true for what the Hebrew texts tell us.
Plus the fact that John 1 has nothing to do with "every purpose of God." That's simply not the subject of John's opening.
"In the beginning" is not about God's will?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The ecclesia is a spiritual body, not of this world. The Church that promotes error is false.
I'd say you certainly have a good start in that particular area of endeavor. Again: the church is one. There is no "other" church. That church is the ekklesia.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
"Beginning" references time, not intent. I defy you to dream up another meaning for the term "beginning."
We are talking about what the writer wrote about The Word. It is written the word WAS at the beginning, WAS God. OK? Was is wrong.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Oh no! You are slinking away. The church according to you is the people who believe as you do. No? Can a person be of the church but disagree with it?
Nope. The church is the church. Everybody, in all times and places. Yes, people are free to disagree with the church. What they're not free to do is declare that they're separate from the church, and usurp authenticity, keeping some (or many) out as a result of any claim of exclusive authority.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
We are talking about what the writer wrote about The Word. It is written the word WAS at the beginning, WAS God. OK? Was is wrong.
No it's not, because "beginning" is a time reference, referring to an event (beginning) that took place in the past (was). it's poetry, not ontology.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Nope. The church is the church. Everybody, in all times and places. Yes, people are free to disagree with the church. What they're not free to do is declare that they're separate from the church, and usurp authenticity, keeping some (or many) out as a result of any claim of exclusive authority.
They are free to disagree, but disagreeing is being separate which is not righteous is what I hear you imply. Any disagreement separates a person in any given instance. We are going this way says the church. I disagree and I am going that way. Separate ways. Do I not know what separate means?
 
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