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Holes in the trinity

kjw47

kjw47

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Koldo said:
Actually, she does have a point.
Although there are possible answers to it.
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I believe since its 100% fact that every Israelite who ever lived and served the allmighty God from the ot served a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah). this also means a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah) was taught in the synagogues that Jesus attended his first 30 years. Does one think that Jesus would attend a place serving the wrong God? I don't. There are many holes in the trinity teaching.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

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kjw47 said:
I believe since its 100% fact that every Israelite who ever lived and served the allmighty God from the ot served a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah). this also means a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah) was taught in the synagogues that Jesus attended his first 30 years. Does one think that Jesus would attend a place serving the wrong God? I don't. There are many holes in the trinity teaching.
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It's not 100% fact.
 
Shermana

Shermana

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kjw47 said:
I believe since its 100% fact that every Israelite who ever lived and served the allmighty God from the ot served a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah). this also means a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah) was taught in the synagogues that Jesus attended his first 30 years. Does one think that Jesus would attend a place serving the wrong God? I don't. There are many holes in the trinity teaching.
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What of all the Israelites who turned to pagan idolatry? What of all the evil Kings?
 
kjw47

kjw47

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Shermana said:
What of all the Israelites who turned to pagan idolatry? What of all the evil Kings?
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Yes they left God over and over for foreign women and pagan practices. Even the kings--they even had Gods prophets put to death for telling them( evil kings) truth.
Satan doesn't need to constantly attack those who he already has, his efforts go to attacking Gods true followers. Imperfect mortals, even Gods spiritual elite fell to satans illusions. Solomon fell.
I stated in my post that when they served the true God of the ot they served YHWH(Jehovah)
 
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yokomodoful

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savagewind said:
This is what the trinity sounds like; There is one God. One God is three gods. See how there are two there?

1. There is one God

2. Three gods in one God

That makes two.

To get technical now your second god is actually three gods. That makes four.
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God is fully present in essence/nature/substance in three 'persons' There is a difference between person and nature. The person is who they are. Nature is the characteristics, essence and will of what the person does. The three persons of the trinity are one because their will, their knowledge, and presence are the same. They are all fully God. This does not occur in His created beings because we are finite. That is also why the trinity is difficult to grasp, but evidence of the trinity is throught the gospel, the letters, and the belef of many christians from the time of the resurrection.
 
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yokomodoful

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kjw47 said:
I believe since its 100% fact that every Israelite who ever lived and served the allmighty God from the ot served a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah). this also means a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah) was taught in the synagogues that Jesus attended his first 30 years. Does one think that Jesus would attend a place serving the wrong God? I don't. There are many holes in the trinity teaching.
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No, He is serving the right God. The Israelites were serving the same God as the Trinity. The Father is fully God. The knowledge of the Trinity was not fully revealed yet. There is a clue to it however in Genesis when God refers to Himself in the plural. Genesis 1:26 Let us make man....
 
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savagewind

savagewind

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The three persons of the trinity are one because their will, their knowledge, and presence are the same
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However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. Matthew 24:36

You are preaching against Matthew 24:36. Yes or no?
 
savagewind

savagewind

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FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
Right, blame "Satan"

I keep forgetting you accept the book of enoch as canon.
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Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept the book of Enoch as cannon.
He is probably referring to the scripture 1 John 5:19

We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

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savagewind said:
Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept the book of Enoch as cannon.
He is probably referring to the scripture 1 John 5:19

We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.
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Right and who is the evil one? Where in the OT and even the NT is there a description that Satan is the evil one? Or is he talking about Beelezubub? How does he reconcile acts of "God sending his evil spirit onto Saul" or "God hardening the pharoahs heart" or if Death is an enemy 'Why is the angel of death an ally to the israelites?"

The only record of a war in heaven is found in the book of enoch. So whoever wrote 1 john took that book as canon.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
Right and who is the evil one? Where in the OT and even the NT is there a description that Satan is the evil one? Or is he talking about Beelezubub? How does he reconcile acts of "God sending his evil spirit onto Saul" or "God hardening the pharoahs heart" or if Death is an enemy 'Why is the angel of death an ally to the israelites?"

The only record of a war in heaven is found in the book of enoch. So whoever wrote 1 john took that book as canon.
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It is a good point that you have made but...

They make connections where connections may or may not be found.

The world lies under the power of wicked.

Jesus battles the dragon who is called Devil and Satan.

The dragon and it's angels fall to earth to make trouble.

The whole world lies under the power of the wicked one.

See?
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

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savagewind said:
It is a good point that you have made but...

They make connections where connections may or may not be found.

The world lies under the power of wicked.

Jesus battles the dragon who is called Devil and Satan.

The dragon and it's angels fall to earth to make trouble.

The whole world lies under the power of the wicked one.

See?
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Jesus or Michael? Revelations says Michael and his Angels.

I see Revelations as the same type of situation Muhammed got. Yet Christians will denounce muhammed.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
Jesus or Michael? Revelations says Michael and his Angels.

I see Revelations as the same type of situation Muhammed got. Yet Christians will denounce muhammed.
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They say Jesus is Michael. I think it is not possible Jesus and Michael are the same person. It is another theological connection they make.

They say Jesus and Michael are the same. Most everybody else says God and Jesus are the same (but different - I know). I'm out.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

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savagewind said:
They say Jesus is Michael. I think it is not possible Jesus and Michael are the same person. It is another theological connection they make.

They say Jesus and Michael are the same. Most everybody else says God and Jesus are the same (but different - I know). I'm out.
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I think people just need someone to blame.

Why not just say "God did it" and go along with it. All comes from God, all will return to God.
 
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BlandOatmeal

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Franklin,

Please fill out enough biographical information, for viewers to get an idea of where you're coming from. You seem to believe this, disbelieve that, a mishmash of pick and choose. How can anyone take you seriously when you do this?
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

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BlandOatmeal said:
Franklin,

Please fill out enough biographical information, for viewers to get an idea of where you're coming from. You seem to believe this, disbelieve that, a mishmash of pick and choose. How can anyone take you seriously when you do this?
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I play devil's adovocate. I operate based on what the topic on hand is about. If you dont' think you should take me seriously (dont' know why you would want to...you don't know me) that's perfectly okay.

For your sake though I'll put this.

I care more about trying to be a good person, I find that what I have been taught in the Bible has had a really good role in shaping me to be that person. Anything else such as my relationship between God, or my beliefs on Jesus...are just that my beliefs, not needed to be shared. What I do know is that I love information, and so I gather as much of it as I can and when I see people picking and choosing, i respond by doing exactly that...picking and choosing.
 
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