Homophobia

[Pawpatrol]

Humans naturally manipulate their environment, so are atomic bombs natural?

Homosexuality refers to humans developing romantic relationships with other humans. Is that natural?

No, it refers to them developing romantic and sexual relationships with humans of the same sex. Even you can't spell it out — are you too ashamed?

But upon what do you base that presumption? The words of ancient primitives who also thought people should be stoned to death for eating shrimp, wearing mixed cloths, or rotating crops?

I base it on God's guidance to mankind. However, there are many other ways to look at it in addition to that; homosexual practices have been hated throughout their existence. All normal people feel a repulsion toward them.

Yep. In fact, a lot of married heterosexual couples partake in oral and anal sex.

Rape is relatively common within marriage — does that make it "love"?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

No, it refers to them developing romantic and sexual relationships with humans of the same sex. Even you can't spell it out — are you too ashamed?

I purposely left out "of the same sex" because once you ignore the similar reproduction organs, secondary sexual characteristics, and genetics, you really just have two humans developing romantic and sexual relationships. The similar reproduction organs, secondary sexual characteristics, and genetics don't really mean much. The important part is that they are (consensually) finding companionship, a very natural thing, eh?

So are atomic bombs natural, since humans naturally manipulate their environment?

 

[Father Heathen]

Rape is relatively common within marriage — does that make it "love"?

The blatantly obvious difference is that rape isn't consensual.

 

[Argentbear]

No, it refers to them developing romantic and sexual relationships with humans of the same sex. Even you can't spell it out — are you too ashamed?

I base it on God's guidance to mankind. However, there are many other ways to look at it in addition to that; homosexual practices have been hated throughout their existence.

Not true. Most societies accepted it for just hat is was a normal variation like being left handed.

All normal people feel a repulsion toward them.

no one is born a bigot. The hatred you feel was taught to you.

Rape is relatively common within marriage — does that make it "love"?

If there is rape within a marriage it shows there is no love there.

 

[Pawpatrol]

Source?

As more men discover their lack of marriage prospects, this could lead to antisocial behaviour, violence and possibly more opportunities for organised crime and terrorism, threatening the stability and security of many societies.

This isn't actually my source. Rather I read a book about it that consisted mostly of various statistics on the topic. But I assume you're asking for evidence, and this is what a quick search got me.

 

[McBell]

As more men discover their lack of marriage prospects, this could lead to antisocial behaviour, violence and possibly more opportunities for organised crime and terrorism, threatening the stability and security of many societies.

This isn't actually my source. Rather I read a book about it that consisted mostly of various statistics on the topic. But I assume you're asking for evidence, and this is what a quick search got me.

If I was wanting evidence, I would have asked you for evidence.

I am asking for your source because I am curious what the source is for your claim.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Kids needing a mother and a father

Kids needs loving providers and a stable, nurturing environment. The gender of the care providers is irrelevant.

So you give up all responsibility for the well-being of your society — got it.

No, I care enough to want to see a society where peace and harmony are the norms and prejudice ways and basing things on primitive superstitions are put aside amd left to the annals of history.

Why would I think God specifically wanted disbelievers having kids? Make it make sense.

Matthew 5:45
Isiah 45:7

Then why is everyone so upset when I state what I consider clean?

People often react to bigotry in such ways.

It's a statistical fact that unmarried men are actually the most burdensome on the society compared to unmarried women or married men and women.

I doubt it. And how are you defining "burdensome"?

I base it on God's guidance to mankind.

That gods "guidance" includes allowing the sperm squirter to sell his own daughter into slavery.

homosexual practices have been hated throughout their existence.

Not universally. Lots of places didn't even care until Christian missionaries showed up and taught them to hate homosexuality and homosexuals.

All normal people feel a repulsion toward them.

No, just haters.

Rape is relatively common within marriage — does that make it "love"?

Rape is violence and without consent.

As more men discover their lack of marriage prospects, this could lead to antisocial behaviour, violence and possibly more opportunities for organised crime and terrorism, threatening the stability and security of many societies.

This isn't actually my source. Rather I read a book about it that consisted mostly of various statistics on the topic. But I assume you're asking for evidence, and this is what a quick search got me.

That's in places where they greatly favor sons to the point of aborting daughters (like China with the one child policy). That also isn't unmarried men in general but unmarried men in societies where the is an imbalance qnd surplus of men and not enough women for them to be able to get a life.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Most societies accepted it for just hat is was a normal variation like being left handed.

That's not really true. Even your analogy doesn't work because left-handed people have been treated badly throughout the world, due to superstitions.

Bias against left-handed people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People we call LGBT in the West are not usually treated that well throughout the world. For example, it's a big taboo and source of shame in East Asian cultures and that's not due to Abrahamic religion. You won't find many out gay people there. The hijras of India are usually treated badly, too. The ancient Romans looked down on effeminacy and it was a taboo for a man to be passive to another man. They had various insults for them and it could get you into trouble depending on your social standing. That was typical of the cultures that did tolerate it to an extent. Pretty much every culture expects its people to get married and have children. Many cultures still have arranged marriages, too. It's only in the West where it's officially treated as some normal variation. We're the odd ones here. Even our idea of sexual orientation and "gay", "straight", "bisexual", etc. is a Western social construct to begin with.

In some cultures, the best you could hope for was maybe being some kind of shaman or priest of a deity as it was associated with spiritual powers, kind of like how people with albinism are sometimes viewed in tribal cultures - a mixture of fear and awe. So there may be some sort of role for you, but you will be treated differently and usually as an outcast, as well.

 

[Argentbear]

As more men discover their lack of marriage prospects, this could lead to antisocial behaviour, violence and possibly more opportunities for organised crime and terrorism, threatening the stability and security of many societies.

This isn't actually my source. Rather I read a book about it that consisted mostly of various statistics on the topic. But I assume you're asking for evidence, and this is what a quick search got me.

speculation is not evidence.
spec·u·la·tive engaged in, expressing, or based on conjecture rather than knowledge.

 

[Pawpatrol]

If I was wanting evidence, I would have asked you for evidence.

I am asking for your source because I am curious what the source is for your claim.

It is a book called "encouraging marriage and discouraging divorce" by Gohar Mushtaq.

https://kalamullah.com/encouraging-marriage.html

 

[SkepticThinker]

It is unnatural. My response was not meant to show agreement to it supposedly being natural, but to point out the fallacy in claiming something is natural to man just because some animal did it. That's false because we don't consider it natural to eat the corpses of humans, for example, and because with that logic we might as well say it's natural because human beings have done it. Then we might go on to say it's natural for a mother (human) to leave her baby alone to die of hunger and thirst because that's been done many times. The examples are innumerable.

So it's both unnatural and natural. Mmkay, got it.

You consider people's righteousness all the time. I don't know what stress you're talking about.

The harmful effects are well known and easily accessible through the internet which is why I haven't put great effort in posting them — if until now you don't know then you just don't care. Still, I did post some of them in one post and almost all of you ignored that entirely and continued to act as if I hadn't. Only one poster replied to that post and they merely link me an article on the "benefits" rather than addressing the harmful effects.

All I ask at this point is a little bit of integrity from you people.

Here:

Rise in popularity of anal sex has led to health problems for women

Incontinence, bleeding and STIs among the consequences, say two surgeons, who want doctors to have open chats with patients on the topic

www.theguardian.com

"Women in the UK are suffering injuries and other health problems as a result of the growing popularity of anal sex among straight couples, two NHS surgeons have warned.

The consequences include incontinence and sexually transmitted infections (STIs) as well as pain and bleeding because they have experienced bodily trauma while engaging in the practice, the doctors write in an article in the British Medical Journal.

Tabitha Gana and Lesley Hunt also argued that doctors’ reluctance to discuss the risks associated with anal sex was leading to women being harmed by the practice and letting down a generation of women who are not aware of the potential problems.

In the journal, they said “anal intercourse is considered a risky sexual behaviour because of its association with alcohol, drug use and multiple sex partners”."

And yet again we're back to the question of how does this affect you in any way at all?
Are you currently engaging in anal sex or something?

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, it refers to them developing romantic and sexual relationships with humans of the same sex. Even you can't spell it out — are you too ashamed?

And yet they're still both humans.

How does someone else's romantic relationship affect you in any way, shape or form?

I base it on God's guidance to mankind. However, there are many other ways to look at it in addition to that; homosexual practices have been hated throughout their existence.

All kinds of things and people have been hated throughout society's existence. So what?

I don't hate gay people. Why do you?

All normal people feel a repulsion toward them.

I find turnips repulsive but that doesn't mean someone else doesn't like them and it doesn't make them bad or immoral.

I'm also not repulsed by gay people as you seem to be. You really should speak for yourself. What's "normal" anyway? Apparently not what you seem to think.

Also, how do you know it's based on "God's guidance to mankind?" Which god?

Rape is relatively common within marriage — does that make it "love"?

It makes it rape. People who love people don't rape them.

 

[McBell]

It is a book called "encouraging marriage and discouraging divorce" by Gohar Mushtaq.

https://kalamullah.com/encouraging-marriage.html

Thank you

 

[Pawpatrol]

After you.
You made an unsubstantiated claim, i followed suite

Which claim are you missing evidence for, exactly?

WHat you find on the internet on the topic of the supposedly harmful effects of homosexuality are the postings of hate groups

So The Guardian (which I quoted recently) is a hate group?

 

[ChristineM]

Which claim are you missing evidence for, exactly?

So The Guardian (which I quoted recently) is a hate group?

Any claim of Allah/God ..
And so are you

 

[Pawpatrol]

Any claim of Allah/God ..
And so are you

So you're not interested in any genuine exchange of ideas regarding the topic — good to know.

 

[ChristineM]

So you're not interested in any genuine exchange of ideas regarding the topic — good to know.

Genuine, yes, if anyone has genuine evidence, (not hear say or belief) but genuine verifiable evidence i will listen and consider it.

 

[Pawpatrol]

Kids need loving and accepting parent it doesn't matter what gender that parent is

Yes, it factually does matter that a child has one parent of each sexes, which is the only possible formula anyway.

“Reams of social science and medical research convincingly show that children who are raised by their married, biological parents enjoy better physical, cognitive and emotional outcomes, on average, than children raised in other circumstances. …[R]esearchers have been able to make a strong case that marriage has causal impacts on outcomes such as children’s schooling, their social and emotional adjustment, and their employment, marriage and mental health as adults.”

How does homophobia contribute to the well being of society?

The same way objecting to drug addictions, alcoholism and consumption of pornography does.

because what you say is based on hate.

I don't feel hatred. My dislike of homosexuality is not so much emotional as it is logical. Whatever the case — I take it you do care what I think.

your views are very clear

I agree. I've made them blatantly clear. It's hard to understand why some still don't get it. I think they just refuse to. The same way you refuse to look at the evidence that I post and insist on pretending I didn't post it.

 

[VoidCat]

It's a statistical fact that unmarried men are actually the most burdensome on the society compared to unmarried women or married men and women.

Burdensome? Now you reminding me of folk who call me a burden for being disabled. And folk calling disabled folk burdens cuz some cant work. The idea that certain folk are burdens irks me a lot. People are not burdens married or not. They are people.

 

[VoidCat]

Burdensome? Now you reminding me of folk who call me a burden for being disabled. And folk calling disabled folk burdens cuz some cant work. The idea that certain folk are burdens irks me a lot. People are not burdens married or not. They are people.

@Pawpatrol. I would caution you to not consider certian groups burdens. That historically has not ended well in society. That leads to things like force sterilizations, genocides, mercy killing, and hate crimes viewing certain groups as less then or as burdens. I have a book that might help you see that. I can show you it if you like. Learn from history else we doomed to repeat it.