Homosexual Relationships Are Wrong

[Sunstone]

what has humanity done to deserve a continued existence?

I think about that question nearly every week, Mike. The nearest I can come to an answer is that we love.

 

[Mike182]

I think about that question nearly every week, Mike. The nearest I can come to an answer is that we love.

not that this is the subject of the debate, but this is a fact, not a justification for existence

 

[open_mind]

OK PEOPLE HERE'S MY RESPONSE TO ALL YOUR OBJECTIONS

Animals are created by God and many of them engage in homosexual acts, so how is it unnatural or against God when that is how He made them? Likewise, humans are born into their sexual orientation, so unless you are implying God made a mistake...

thank u for supporting my point with your words about animals! i said HUMAN NATURE,and thats my point;to prove we are not like animals...thats why i'm saying God forbidded homosexuality for many reasons one of them is human dignity that makes us unequal to animals by any means

 

[open_mind]

Here's a little fact for you: not every man or woman in the population is homosexual.

Yep, it's a minority of the population, in fact!

Here's another: not every man or woman in the population will ever be homosexual.

Yep! The ratio of homosexual/heterosexual people in the population has been shown to be consistently steady. The idea of everyone suddenly turning homosexual is bunk.

And another: homosexuals are not sterile.

Yep, that's right. Us gay folks, of both the male and female variety, are capable of breeding! ZOMG, how's that for a revelation.

my phrase is not literal,i didn't mean that the problem occurs when every person turns homosexual!
i mean that as this act becomes more and more normal(legal) as u people wish,the society will be destroyed gradually.
as u started the idea of facts;TAKE THAT:

-Dr Adrian Rogers, president of the Conservative Family Institute, described homosexuality as 'sterile, disease-riddden and God-forsaken'."

-The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75
* The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 ''Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA. ''

-Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population

-Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, "30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals"

-According to the Centers For Disease Control, 65% of all reported AIDS cases among U.S. males since 1981 have been men engaged in homosexual behavior. (CDC HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, May 1998)

 

[open_mind]

If every person turned into a cook, what would happen? The economy would collapse, people would starve. Can we legitimately say, then, that being a cook is immoral?

If every person turned into a doctor, what would happen? Again, the economy would collapse, people would starve. Can we legitimately say, then, that being a doctor is immoral?

Your argument rests on an absurdity, Open Mind.

I suppose you have it on some authority (The Bible, perhaps?) that homosexuality is "something against human nature [as] created by GOD"? If so, where does this authority you're using explicitly state that homosexuality is not created by God?

Let's also look at your claim another way: What science or observations support it?

being a doctor or a cook is a job(profession),something which if increased significantly in a society will cause no real harm...but homosexuality is an instinct controlling its consequences or even its progress is very difficult,sorry ur example does not fit my point
as u mentioned science and observations supporting me...TAKE THAT:

-according to Dr. Craig Wilson, an
associate professor of pediatrics at the University of
Alabama, “The rate of HIV infection among younger ado-
lescents in the U.S. is increasing 200 to 300 percent each
year.” (Associated Press report, March 7, 2001) Health
officials have stated that an estimated 20,000 people
between the ages of 13 and 24 are infected with HIV
each year in the U.S. That’s two people each hour who
are doomed to die young

-According to the
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
(with the National Institutes of Health), there are an
estimated 40,000 new HIV infections each year in
the United States; 70% of these are men; 30% are
women. Of those men who are infected, 60% of
them are infected through homosexual sex

-The syphilis rate among U.S. men soared 81 percent between 2000 and 2004, primarily as a result of increases in reported cases among homosexual males, federal health officials reported
,the rate among men nearly doubled during that time -- from 2.6 per 100,000 to 4.7 syphilis

-Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne ''Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA.''

-Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the "gay bowel syndrome" (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus ''United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989

AS FOR OTHER REPLIES SAYING I'M FUNNY AND COMMENTING ON MY USERNAME...I SAY THAT MY GOAL IS TO DEFEND TRUTH AND TRY TO HELP PEOPLE,NOT TO DISCUSS PERSONAL MATTERS

 

[Jaymes]

I wonder if the shorter lifespan has anything to do with the gay murders and beatings that seem to be so common... hmmm.

I'll be sure to tell my girlfriend that the prestigious, completely unbiased Conservative Family Institute says we're going to die early, though. I'm sure she'll get as big a laugh out of it as I did.

 

[Mike182]

-Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, "30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals"

and this is evidence of ....... what?

first of all, statistics reporting on domestic and sexual abuse are not reliable, because we do not know how much actual domestic or sexual abuse is going on, we only know about what is reported. second of all, you quote the "30,000" number, and i agree that is a lot of people who have been abused, but 30,000 out of how many?

-According to the Centers For Disease Control, 65% of all reported AIDS cases among U.S. males since 1981 have been men engaged in homosexual behavior. (CDC HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, May 1998)

again, what is your point? might i point out that although this 65% admitted to having engaged in homosexual activities, that does not mean that is where they got the disease from. if could easily have come from hetrosexual sex, or from one of many other causes, it could just be a coincidence that they had engaged in homosexual acts.

as jensa pointed out a while ago, this is also not a valid argument against lesbians!

 

[Sunstone]

being a doctor or a cook is a job(profession),something which if increased significantly in a society will cause no real harm...but homosexuality is an instinct controlling its consequences or even its progress is very difficult,sorry ur example does not fit my point

But I think it does. Please think it through carefully.

as u mentioned science and observations supporting me...TAKE THAT:

-according to Dr. Craig Wilson, an
associate professor of pediatrics at the University of
Alabama, “The rate of HIV infection among younger ado-
lescents in the U.S. is increasing 200 to 300 percent each
year.” (Associated Press report, March 7, 2001) Health
officials have stated that an estimated 20,000 people
between the ages of 13 and 24 are infected with HIV
each year in the U.S. That’s two people each hour who
are doomed to die young

How does your response support your statement: " note:i used the word turned because no man is born homosexual,as it is something against human nature created by GOD." ?

-According to the
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
(with the National Institutes of Health), there are an
estimated 40,000 new HIV infections each year in
the United States; 70% of these are men; 30% are
women. Of those men who are infected, 60% of
them are infected through homosexual sex

Again, Open Mind, how does your response support your statement: " note:i used the word turned because no man is born homosexual,as it is something against human nature created by GOD."?

-The syphilis rate among U.S. men soared 81 percent between 2000 and 2004, primarily as a result of increases in reported cases among homosexual males, federal health officials reported
,the rate among men nearly doubled during that time -- from 2.6 per 100,000 to 4.7 syphilis

Again, Open Mind, I fail to see how your response supports your statement: " note:i used the word turned because no man is born homosexual,as it is something against human nature created by GOD." It is, after all, that statement of yours that I was asking you to support.

-Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne ''Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA.''

You are providing a great deal of information irrelevant to the question you claim to be answering. So, once again, how does your response support your statement: " note:i used the word turned because no man is born homosexual,as it is something against human nature created by GOD."?

-Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the "gay bowel syndrome" (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus ''United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989

Let me be blunt, Open Mind: Are you so disrespectful of others that you take me and every other reader of your post for fools who wouldn't even notice your attempt to avoid answering the question put to you, while you yet claim to answer it? The question I asked (and which you claim to be answering) is, What evidence do you have to support your statement: " note:i used the word turned because no man is born homosexual,as it is something against human nature created by GOD." ?

Can I take your avoidance of that question as a tacit admission that you cannot answer it?

 

[turk179]

its their environment, kids telling you at school that your gay just because you are different, after awhile you start to believe it,
people have to have a reason to be different, why they feel uncomfortable w others
the easiest explanation in our societies, plus there are stereotypes, how a strait guy should act, watch out if your naturally effeminate or if your a girl that hangs out with guys.

Now that you mention it, I have something to add to this. This is a true story:sarcastic. When I was a teen I liked girls because it was the popular thing in my school. When I moved to Virginia I had a gay room mate. After a few months his constant flirting and sexual advances toward me started to affect me(thats what gay people do.) I found myself starting to look at guys in a different way. After we got our own separate apartments, it took a while but I started liking women again.

Now granted this story is obviously not true with the exception of me having a gay room mate but i thought it would be fun to try to go down the path of reasoning that you tried to pass off as fact.

I have to admit that I have never heard so many off base opinions about homosexuality in my entire life with the exception of one particular person saying that gays and pagans were the cause of 9/11:biglaugh:.

Let me just finish off by giving you some facts that I found recently on line......
Dr. Turkinator179 Perry of the Liberal Society for the prevention of cruelty to homosexuals states that Knowledge is power and before you start throwing out some biased opinions about a topic that you clearly have not approached with an open mind and a lack of common sense you should just rely on the basic principles of love thy neighbor and treat others as you would want to be treated.

 

[Mister_T]

You know I often hear anti-gay people say things like this to me: "What are you going to do when the world starts to accept paedophilia as something that people are born with? Or " Why don't we just let them marry animals and childeren while were at it. Whats to stop people from marrying children or animals."

Well to these people I say this: If we allow your anti-gay laws to be passed, what are you going to do when the world starts to accept prejudice and opression as ok? Why dont we just let you oppress everyone who isn't just like you. What's to stop things like rascism, prejudice and oppression from being legalized?

 

[literal visionary]

Animals are created by God and many of them engage in homosexual acts,

This does 'nt really correlate to humans, I have 2 billy goats and they are constanly trying to hump eachother, they are son and father, for animals its like a game of whos the biggest and best

its like- "im humping you"

"no im humping you,"

"HAHA im the stronger goat i have the upper hand,"

Plus when my female dog smelt another female dog in the heat she started humping her because her becauase she smelt the other dogs hormones and it was instinctual

Plus shes been in a long term relationship with a pooh bear for years,
we put him up in the closet and she pushed boxes over till she could jump up and get him,
if hes put up she'll sit there and stare at it for hours.....

 

[literal visionary]

i guess that she was just born a poohbian....

 

[literal visionary]

so how is it unnatural or against God when that is how He made them? Likewise, humans are born into their sexual orientation, so unless you are implying God made a mistake...

yes people you forget God created the world in aperfect sinless state,

a perfectly balanced machine

Then man sinned and by doing so he through a wrench into the gears of creation, God made the earth, but manknid has always been responsible for its perversion....

 

[literal visionary]

I wonder why it is that people like Literal Visionary and Open_Mind choose those names? When you read what they say, nothing could be farther from the truth. Must be one of those odd quirks of evangelical reasoning. "My way or the highway."

just because my visions dont correlate to your beliefs -

doesn't mean that they aren't visions.....

Why does acceptance of gay marriage have to go hand in hand with having an open mind?

Maye his/her mind is open, just not to places you haven't allowed yours venture.

 

[literal visionary]

You just answered your own question. It IS personal to people. What makes you think you have the right to tell people how to live their lives? What makes your relationships any better than someone elses? What gives you the right to force your beliefs on someone else?

What makes it gay peoples right to force a whole society of people to legalize something they consider a sin, and violate their own beliefs?

Sacrifice the ideals of the many for the satisfaction of a few....sounds really fair to me....

you would have to show me a timeline of the disease, where and how it originated, to see if gay people are really responsible

its true they tracked it from africa, he was aflight attendant he went from major city to city spreading it to lover to lover, thats how it started to spread in america

Back then when there wasn't aids, there was no stopping (in their mind)people from being promiscuos,

and the in the beggining of the aids epidimic the vast majority of people with aids were
gay- this was because of their free lifestyles, before aids scared the gay community into the shell it is today- thats just the plain truth

then it started to spread, to the other parts of teh population litle by little.

excuse me, what do you know about my environment that allows you to say this?

no matter what environment you are in it will affect, every culture has their differant ideals attached to sexuality, whatever way they affected you it caused you to be the way you are now, you could say the same for heterosexuals and other types of people too.

you compare homosexuals to hitler, thats twisted!

not necesarilly just an easy one,

you would have to show me a timeline of the disease, where and how it originated, to see if gay people are really responsible

Personally I dnot think it originated from monkeys like animals (beasteality) like some scientists try to lead you on

I personally believe the conspiracy theory- its more logical - if people are screwing monkeys and sheep somewhere in the world, why did it show up in the last 50- 100 years

I personally believe that western gov.s created aids and then purposely infected certain groups of people

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

just because my visions dont correlate to your beliefs -

doesn't mean that they aren't visions.....

Why does acceptance of gay marriage have to go hand in hand with having an open mind?

Maye his/her mind is open, just not to places you haven't allowed yours venture.

Maybe, just maybe, God created gay people not as a test for them, but a test for YOU to see if you could truly follow Christ, and practice what Jesus preached.

 

[literal visionary]

Maybe, just maybe, God created gay people not as a test for them, but a test for YOU to see if you could truly follow Christ, and practice what Jesus preached.

Ive never been mean or disrespectful to gay people, if thats what your getting at,
everybody has a gay cousin or uncle,

just because you know someones doing something wrong doesn't mean that your mean to people

 

[turk179]

Ive never been mean or disrespectful to gay people, if thats what your getting at,
everybody has a gay cousin or uncle,

just because you know someones doing something wrong doesn't mean that your mean to people

Your knowledge is extremely questionable in this area. A lot of your so called knowledge is almost child like in nature. I don't mean any disrespect by that. I just have a hard time believing that you can say gay people are that way because they were called gay in school and be serious about it. That is right up there with saying that homosexuality is a disease that is transferred by touch.

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

Ive never been mean or disrespectful to gay people, if thats what your getting at,
everybody has a gay cousin or uncle,

just because you know someones doing something wrong doesn't mean that your mean to people

But you are passing judgement. You say that you feel it's your duty as a Christian to tell people what they are doing wrong. And Jesus NEVER said that we should go around telling people they are wrong. He himself did not preach to people of their sinful ways. He loved the 'sinners', he was often ridiculed for letting wretched people come to him, and he explained that those who are forgiven huge debts are more thankful than those who are forgiven small debt. You have no way of knowing what God has in store for another person. As a Christian, Jesus said to help the poor, feed the hungry, heal the sick. He also said JUDGE NOT. Judge not means DO NOT JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE.

 

[Draka]

What makes it gay peoples right to force a whole society of people to legalize something they consider a sin, and violate their own beliefs?
Sacrifice the ideals of the many for the satisfaction of a few....sounds really fair to me....

You say this as if the homosexuals are the only ones that don't have a problem with them having rights of marriage. As if the "whole of society" is just right wing conservative closed minded Christians who so are against the "sin of homosexuality" that they will do anything to stomp out the possibility of people having any recognition or rights of any kind. Not everyone in society is like that. Not even all Christians are like that. Perhaps you need to open your eyes to visions OUTSIDE your head as well.

its true they tracked it from africa, he was aflight attendant he went from major city to city spreading it to lover to lover, thats how it started to spread in america

Back then when there wasn't aids, there was no stopping (in their mind)people from being promiscuos,

and the in the beggining of the aids epidimic the vast majority of people with aids were
gay- this was because of their free lifestyles, before aids scared the gay community into the shell it is today- thats just the plain truth


then it started to spread, to the other parts of teh population litle by little.

Free lifestyles? As if heterosexuals didn't ever NOT use some form of protection? No, wait, you just said "people being promiscuous". So are only homosexuals people? Are not heterosexuals people? No, wait again, you seem to think that before HIV/AIDS then being gay was absolutely fine and dandy with homosexuals having no reason to hide that fact or fear ignorant prejudiced people at all. Like that just all came about with the spread of AIDS.:sarcastic

no matter what environment you are in it will affect, every culture has their differant ideals attached to sexuality, whatever way they affected you it caused you to be the way you are now, you could say the same for heterosexuals and other types of people too.

So what thing happened to you in your youthful environment to turn you into a heterosexual. What "turned" you straight? Can you tell us what probably did that? And can I "turn" you homosexual? You're quite young yet...if you so believe it is a "turning" thing then there's still time. Let's get together sometime and I'll get a bunch of gays together and we'll just brainwash you into being homosexual...Monday good for you?

Personally I dnot think it originated from monkeys like animals (beasteality) like some scientists try to lead you on

I personally believe the conspiracy theory- its more logical - if people are screwing monkeys and sheep somewhere in the world, why did it show up in the last 50- 100 years

I personally believe that western gov.s created aids and then purposely infected certain groups of people

Well, that just answered every question about you by everyone here. Watch out people...we have another "Dale" from "King of the Hill"! Truly warped mind. How on Earth you could believe that anyone could purposely inflict an incurable death machine of the world is beyond me. Who did it? The Joker or Two-Face? Or was it the Penguin?:areyoucra