Homosexuality and marriage (again)

[standing_alone]

you know what is really funny? they say they want PROOF of my opinions and beliefs. they all whine that when i show them it is IMPOSSIBLE to reproduce without engaging in heterosexual sex. they say that my attitude disgusts them. but that's their OPINION.

How about this, SHOW ME FACTS that it is possible to reproduce when engaging in homosexual intercourse.

Ummm... No. See, you seem to think that since homosexual behavior doesn't result in reproduction that it's unnatural. We question the conclusion you came to (that is, since there's no reproduction, it must be unnatural). Where does "this behavior doesn't lead to reproduction" go to "it is unnatural."

Also we ask: If it was unnatural, why would this behavior exist in our own species as well as countless others?

Unless asking questions like this means we're whining.


What's really funny is you can't get any of this through that skull of yours.

 

[Autodidact]

I'm not anti-gay people, but i do stand against the act itself.

*resists temptation to make risque joke*

I do not condemn Gay people to hell because that is absurd. While i do believe it is unnatural and a perverse practice I do not persecute them.

How admirable of you. I'll try to return the favor.

These gay rights activists who are LDS or otherwise Christian throw my hypocrite and BS sensor through the roof.

Because your interpretation of the Bible is the only possible correct one. Did you know that, not only does Jesus never mention it, but lesbianism is not prohibited anywhere in the Bible?

Sperm banks to me also are disgusting because it promotes:
Nonmarital Childbearing

1. I believe that most of the people who use them are married, heterosexual couples with fertility problems.
2. You do realize that this undercuts your whole position, right? I mean, if you think that people who have children should be married, then you should support gay marriage, because gay people have children.
3. Otherwise it's just a red herring.

To us, they are promised that they will have the opportunity to bear children in the hereafter as long as they abide thier temple covenants so that they may remain sealed together for time and all eternity rather than just "till death do us part"

Yes, well your quaint mythical beliefs are fascinating. Thank you for sharing.

happy because they face persecution and funny looks their whole life? that was never happiness. yes it is sad that people still persecute them. but, it would make life easier if they just weren't. there wouldn't be all this bullcrap and controversy. there wouldn't be these situations.

Well, other people's ignorant prejudice doesn't bother me too much, as long as I'm doing what I believe to be right, and they don't interfere with my civil rights. I'm happy because I have true love with the best woman in the world, and nobody and nothing can take that away from me.

animals also cannot reproduce by homosexual sex so yes, by definition it is unnatural.

No, not unnatural, just not procreative. Homosexual sex is not procreative. That does not make it unnatural. I assure you that my sexuality is entirely natural, with no artificial ingredients.

 

[namguy]

*resists temptation to make risque joke* How admirable of you. I'll try to return the favor. Because your interpretation of the Bible is the only possible correct one. Did you know that, not only does Jesus never mention it, but lesbianism is not prohibited anywhere in the Bible?1. I believe that most of the people who use them are married, heterosexual couples with fertility problems.
2. You do realize that this undercuts your whole position, right? I mean, if you think that people who have children should be married, then you should support gay marriage, because gay people have children.
3. Otherwise it's just a red herring.

Yes, well your quaint mythical beliefs are fascinating. Thank you for sharing.

Well, other people's ignorant prejudice doesn't bother me too much, as long as I'm doing what I believe to be right, and they don't interfere with my civil rights. I'm happy because I have true love with the best woman in the world, and nobody and nothing can take that away from me.

No, not unnatural, just not procreative. Homosexual sex is not procreative. That does not make it unnatural. I assure you that my sexuality is entirely natural, with no artificial ingredients.

You got right.

 

[England my lionheart]

Well ,come on ,true love does'nt need a marriage,the legal part can be sorted out so love conquers all.

 

[namguy]

We'd like to believe love conquers all, but the reality is it doesn't.:sad4:​

 

[standing_alone]

Well ,come on ,true love does'nt need a marriage,the legal part can be sorted out so love conquers all.

Why should same-sex couples be forced to go through all the legal obstacles in order to get things "sorted out" while opposite-sex couples just can get married to "sort it out?" Why do same-sex couples have to have this added burden on protecting their partners legally?

 

[Autodidact]

Well ,come on ,true love does'nt need a marriage,the legal part can be sorted out so love conquers all.

Indeed, and I'm living proof of that. So you don't plan to marry then?

 

[UnTheist]

They say "it isn't natural" because they assume something is bad if it is not natural, and that something is good if it's natural, both of which are false.

 

[madhatter85]

see? all talking about it does it give them more fuel to talk more crap and creates a bigger rift between humanity.

Auto and Standing are grasping at the fact they don;t believe in a supreme being, you can't argue either side of the fence when you can't see what is on that side or refuse to.

instead, they attack my beliefs and call them "mythical" which i find extremely insulting.

 

[Nanda]

I'm not anti-gay people, but i do stand against the act itself. I do not condemn Gay people to hell because that is absurd. While i do believe it is unnatural and a perverse practice I do not persecute them. These gay rights activists who are LDS or otherwise Christian throw my hypocrite and BS sensor through the roof. Sperm banks to me also are disgusting because it promotes:
Nonmarital Childbearing

It's no use quoting scripture at me, I don't believe in your god. You do, and that's fine, but that shouldnt have any bearing on how anyone else lives their life, only how you live yours. You don't want to marry another man because it's against your god? Fine. That's your business. Mind it. Meanwhile, the rest of us should be free to be with the person we want to - these rights are as basic as it comes.

happy because they face persecution and funny looks their whole life? that was never happiness. yes it is sad that people still persecute them. but, it would make life easier if they just weren't. there wouldn't be all this bullcrap and controversy. there wouldn't be these situations.

Oh please. People are always being persecuted for somthing, it doesn't mean they aren't otherwise happy, and it certainly doesn't mean that they should have to change themselves to live to your standard and avoid narrow-minded persecution. I'm fat, and I've been "persecuted" for being fat my entire life, but eventually it comes to the point where you accept yourself, and you stop caring about what other people think, and concern yourself with the people who love you for you. I'm not beautiful by societies standards, but my husband and son think I'm beautiful, so why should I care what society thinks? Wouldn't it have been better for the early mormons to just not be? It would have made their lives easier if they weren't, and there wouldn't have been all that bullcrap and controversy.

animals also cannot reproduce by homosexual sex so yes, by definition it is unnatural. there are some animals that reproduce asexually but that is a far cry from homosexual sex. West african frogs will change sex in a population environment where there is an overabundance of the same sex. this ensure the continuation of their species.

Things that occur in nature cannot, by definition, be unnatural.

Here you go:
LDS.org - Ensign Article - Strengthening the Family: Multiply and Replenish the Earth
Replenishing the Earth

Again, I don't care about your scripture. You can post it till doomsday, it won't make the least bit of difference to me. I don't believe in your god, so what you profess to me that he wants means nothing to me.

 

[sandandfoam]

it goes against reproduction and the continuation of the human species.

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Have you an opinion on masterbation?

 

[Nanda]

you know what is really funny? they say they want PROOF of my opinions and beliefs. they all whine that when i show them it is IMPOSSIBLE to reproduce without engaging in heterosexual sex. they say that my attitude disgusts them. but that's their OPINION.

No, what's really funny is that I don't equate marriage with procreation, and since it doesn't matter to me in the slightest whether married people procreate or not, your entire arguement is immaterial.

 

[Autodidact]

see? all talking about it does it give them more fuel to talk more crap and creates a bigger rift between humanity.

Auto and Standing are grasping at the fact they don;t believe in a supreme being, you can't argue either side of the fence when you can't see what is on that side or refuse to.

instead, they attack my beliefs and call them "mythical" which i find extremely insulting.

I'm sure you do. How about if you leave them out of the discussion then, since they're no more relevant than a Muslim prohibition on eating pork is to a discussion of federal meat packing laws. btw, I guess you don't consider calling someone else perverse or unnatural insulting? Could it be because someone else's ox is being gored?

 

[Autodidact]

Have you an opinion on masterbation?

Oh stephen, don't you know that's a great big sin? Which doesn't stop every Christian man on this board from doing it, they just feel really really bad about it.

 

[sandandfoam]

Oh stephen, don't you know that's a great big sin? Which doesn't stop every Christian man on this board from doing it, they just feel really really bad about it.

Exactly my point. Ironic isn't it?

 

[madhatter85]

Have you an opinion on masterbation?

yes, i do have an opinion on it, and I in fact do not engage in this practice because it is not only degrading to morality, but also insulting towards my wife. It is a disgraceful practice which degrades the sanctity of sex

 

[Fluffy]

I dont believe same sex couple should be married under any faith where their texts forbid it... If you want to be a christian/muslim etc and get married then you do need to be straight...as far as I can see... And for me that's a good thing as it just highlights how irrelevant those religions are in todays world...

Heya frg001,
Please show me where the Bible and the Koran forbid homosexual marriage?

 

[gnomon]

you know what is really funny? they say they want PROOF of my opinions and beliefs. they all whine that when i show them it is IMPOSSIBLE to reproduce without engaging in heterosexual sex. they say that my attitude disgusts them. but that's their OPINION.

How about this, SHOW ME FACTS that it is possible to reproduce when engaging in homosexual intercourse.

Yes, it's hilarious.

However, I brought proof that human beings are not born male or female in all circumstances. These people exist. They are natural. How does that fit with a theology that states God created them, male and female, when physical evidence contradicts that theology?

Why is it that every debate on sexuality and nature ignores these people who do in fact exist?

 

[Mike182]

to those who are against homosexuality: are you opposed to gays having civil unions that are legally equal to marriage, but under a different name?

 

[McBell]

How does that fit with a theology that states God created them, male and female, when physical evidence contradicts that theology?

Simple.
You throw out any and every thing that does not fit into the theology.