Homosexuality and marriage (again)

[frg001]

I think its totally wrong for gays to marry unless it is a civil one,i know and work with gays male and female but i do not think it is ok to be gay full stop from my point of view

So it's not ok to be the way you are born?
How about Disabled? Black? Short? Non-Arian?

 

[McBell]

I think its totally wrong for gays to marry unless it is a civil one,i know and work with gays male and female but i do not think it is ok to be gay full stop from my point of view

I have no problem with this attitude towards same sex marriage.
That is, until those who share your attitude try to make it law.

 

[Darkness]

Let people be gay and marry. They are still humans. Its a human right to be married.

I don't know if you intended this to be somewhat insulting to gays, but it comes off as a half-nice insult.

I think its totally wrong for gays to marry unless it is a civil one,i know and work with gays male and female but i do not think it is ok to be gay

What is wrong with it?

 

[Rioku]

Marriage should be removed from government control. Marriage is a religious idea, even if you are atheist marriage is a concept of "social religion". All the legal issues that are dealt with through marriage should be separated and made into a separate issue. i.e. Can a cat be the legal guardian of your children, I bet theists can debate that to the ends of the earth.

 

[Autodidact]

but we do extend marriage to homosexuals, i have nothing wrong with marriage being extended to a homosexual.



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as long as they marry a member of the opposite sex.

Now I realize that this is really hard for some people, but try, really try, to treat others as you would like to be treated. Imagine that you have the right to marry.......someone of the same sex. Do you feel equal now? Try this:

"I have no objection tto marrige being extended to Negroes....as long as they marry another Negro." Would that be equality?

 

[Autodidact]

but we do extend marriage to homosexuals, i have nothing wrong with marriage being extended to a homosexual.



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as long as they marry a member of the opposite sex.

It doesn't bother you that such a person would be lying to their spouse, their community and themselves, that they would be bringing children into an inherently unstable situation, and creating an inauthentic self and family based on hollow conformity to something they're not? Think about Ted Haggard's wife. He followed your advice, and how did that work out for her?

 

[Autodidact]

Then you are denying homosexuals that most important right to equality. The freedom to believe. And that freedom may extend to the belief that their God has no objection to a human's sexual preferrence.

How is he denying gay people the right to believe whatever they like, just because he doesn't share their belief? I could be wrong, but I would guess that the OP believes that gay people should have just as much right to choose their religious faith, if any, as straight people.

 

[Autodidact]

I don't see what the big deal is. Two people love eachother and want to spend the rest of their life together. They don't need a peice of paper to do that. As for decision making and that sort of thing just get a power of attorney for them.

I don't believe that the government or religion should say who I can and can't be with.

So you don't plan to ever marry then?

 

[Autodidact]

I don't care if people change their religion to be married as gays, but if you are Christian, and you get into a gay marriage, then aren't you contradicting your faith?

1. It depends on how you translate, interpret, and emphasize different aspects of your Bible.
2. Did you know that lesbianism is not prohibited anywhere, whatsoever, in either testament? Here's what the Bible says about lesbianism:
Whither thou goest, I will go
thy people shall be my people,
Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me.

 

[Autodidact]

because Gay people want to be like non-Gay people and non-Gay people don't want Gay people to be like Non-Gay people. This is just another "Gay" thread.

Those darned Gay people, thinking they're like people. Who do they think they are?

 

[Autodidact]

I think its totally wrong for gays to marry unless it is a civil one,i know and work with gays male and female but i do not think it is ok to be gay full stop from my point of view

And why should your personal opinion have any effect on their legal rights? I don't think it's O.K. to be Christian, but I don't stop them from marrying each other.

 

[jbird]

And why should your personal opinion have any effect on their legal rights? I don't think it's O.K. to be Christian, but I don't stop them from marrying each other.

First off you (the gay person) wouldn't be here if you're parents were gay 9 months prior to you (the gay person) being born. Second ...all men are "created" (You can’t’ be created unless you have a mother and father who are of opposite gender) equal, that they are endowed by their "Creator" (Creator meaning God. God says the Bible is truth. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. Gay marriage is wrong.) With certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. You can't have something unless it is created by something. So being gay defies life, it defies liberty and it defies the pursuit of happiness. Being gay and gay marriage shouldn't even exist. The only reason it does is because man is corrupt and wants to do what he wants to do and not what life is intended for. Even the beginning of are constitution says We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our "Posterity" (Why would are forefathers die to see there's sons and daughters marry the same sex and say "...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." Posterity is defined as "the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation." What's the point of even dying for freedom if there is no posterity? Gays should have no rights in this country because it was never intended for homosexuals. It was intended just for heterosexuals. Once again life wouldn’t exist if something didn't create it. So why should anything that is against life and against what nature is, have rights? I'll probably get torn apart for this but hey you wouldn't even typing your comeback if it wasn't for a positive (protons) and negative (electrons - both opposite) charge going through you panel to your computer.

 

[McBell]

First off you (the gay person) wouldn't be here if you're parents were gay 9 months prior to you (the gay person) being born. Second ...all men are "created" (You can’t’ be created unless you have a mother and father who are of opposite gender) equal, that they are endowed by their "Creator" (Creator meaning God. God says the Bible is truth. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. Gay marriage is wrong.) With certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. You can't have something unless it is created by something. So being gay defies life, it defies liberty and it defies the pursuit of happiness. Being gay and gay marriage shouldn't even exist. The only reason it does is because man is corrupt and wants to do what he wants to do and not what life is intended for. Even the beginning of are constitution says We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our "Posterity" (Why would are forefathers die to see there's sons and daughters marry the same sex and say "...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." Posterity is defined as "the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation." What's the point of even dying for freedom if there is no posterity? Gays should have no rights in this country because it was never intended for homosexuals. It was intended just for heterosexuals. Once again life wouldn’t exist if something didn't create it. So why should anything that is against life and against what nature is, have rights? I'll probably get torn apart for this but hey you wouldn't even typing your comeback if it wasn't for a positive (protons) and negative (electrons - both opposite) charge going through you panel to your computer.

Wow.
Talk about seriously grasping at straws...

 

[Nanda]

First off you (the gay person) wouldn't be here if you're parents were gay 9 months prior to you (the gay person) being born.

I know lots of gay people with children. In fact, most of the gay couples I know are parents.

(You can’t’ be created unless you have a mother and father who are of opposite gender)

Or two mommies and a sperm bank.

Creator meaning God. God says the Bible is truth. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. Gay marriage is wrong.

I don't believe in your god, so this arguement is meaningless to me.

So being gay defies life, it defies liberty and it defies the pursuit of happiness.

I don't see how gay people being gay defies your persuit of happiness (or what a creator god has to do with any of that, you just sort of threw that in there with no real connection to anything else) but I do see how denying gay couples the right to marry defies their pursuit of happiness.

Being gay and gay marriage shouldn't even exist.

Because you said so? And yet it does...

The only reason it does is because man is corrupt and wants to do what he wants to do and not what life is intended for.

Unlike all those other "corrupt" animals that engage in homosexuality in the wild.

Gays should have no rights in this country because it was never intended for homosexuals. It was intended just for heterosexuals.

Yeah... And incidentally, Christians should have no rights in this country because it was never "intended" for them, they just decided to take it from the people who were already living here.

 

[madhatter85]

I know lots of gay people with children. In fact, most of the gay couples I know are parents.

and where did that baby come from? someone gave birth after havign sex with a member of the opposite sex. oh that's right.....

Or two mommies and a sperm bank.

where did the sperm bank get its sperm? from a male. and that is disgusting too by the way

I don't see how gay people being gay defies your persuit of happiness (or what a creator god has to do with any of that, you just sort of threw that in there with no real connection to anything else) but I do see how denying gay couples the right to marry defies their pursuit of happiness.

gayness never was happiness, oh wait, never mind, if you use the archaic form of gay then it just means happy.

Because you said so? And yet it does...

It shouldn't because it is not natural. it goes against reproduction and the continuation of the human species.

Unlike all those other "corrupt" animals that engage in homosexuality in the wild.

exactly, their behavior is also unnatural.

Yeah... And incidentally, Christians should have no rights in this country because it was never "intended" for them, they just decided to take it from the people who were already living here.

Well, actually Christians have more to contribute to the world than the gay community. they make the babies you so claim to be "parents" over.

 

[davidishere]

I don't see what the big deal is with homosexuals getting married. Unless it causes suffering somehow, which is doesn't. Why can't homosexuals just live in peace? And not have to deal with people who believe it is wrong. It doesn't affect you, so why should you care? I don't think they chose to be homosexual, and your beating them up and killing them just because they have sexual desires for the same sex? To me it's absurd.
I don't know much about religion, but if God created everything, every single atom in this vast universe, then he would have created all the ideas that accompany the minds of humans? So he would have created homosexuality, athiests, etc. Why would God want to punish something that was his fault for creating?

 

[Mike182]

First off you (the gay person) wouldn't be here if you're parents were gay 9 months prior to you (the gay person) being born. Second ...all men are "created" (You can’t’ be created unless you have a mother and father who are of opposite gender) equal, that they are endowed by their "Creator" (Creator meaning God. God says the Bible is truth. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. Gay marriage is wrong.) With certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. You can't have something unless it is created by something. So being gay defies life, it defies liberty and it defies the pursuit of happiness. Being gay and gay marriage shouldn't even exist. The only reason it does is because man is corrupt and wants to do what he wants to do and not what life is intended for. Even the beginning of are constitution says We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our "Posterity" (Why would are forefathers die to see there's sons and daughters marry the same sex and say "...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." Posterity is defined as "the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation." What's the point of even dying for freedom if there is no posterity? Gays should have no rights in this country because it was never intended for homosexuals. It was intended just for heterosexuals. Once again life wouldn’t exist if something didn't create it. So why should anything that is against life and against what nature is, have rights? I'll probably get torn apart for this but hey you wouldn't even typing your comeback if it wasn't for a positive (protons) and negative (electrons - both opposite) charge going through you panel to your computer.

gays should have no rights? what would you do with all the gay people?

 

[frg001]

Well, actually Christians have more to contribute to the world than the gay community. they make the babies you so claim to be "parents" over.

I can't remember the last violent gay crusade, or inquisition. I can't remember the last time a country was torn apart straight down its sexuality divide.
How many gay people comdemn others because of their non-gayness?

As a neutral in this it seems to me that gay comunities have contributed much to 'civilized' countries.

 

[standing_alone]

and where did that baby come from? someone gave birth after havign sex with a member of the opposite sex. oh that's right.....

So what?
Is enjoying heterosexual sex the one defining characteristic that enables one for parenthood?
Is this your "be all, end all" argument that homosexuality is unnatural? If so, I'm glad because it's a terrible argument.

and that is disgusting too by the way

Why are sperm banks disgusting? Because they give couples, whether heterosexual or homosexual, that are having difficulty conceiving a chance at having children?

I'm for adoption over going to a sperm bank any day and think it's a less "noble" option for having kids, but one thing I don't find it (or criticize it for) is being "disgusting." But then again, some people think their personal "ewwness factor" should be the end moral judgement. I see it all the time with people opposed to me having equality. Ha, look at that. Now it's the argument against sperm banks too. Stupidity knows no bounds.

gayness never was happiness

Well, then I must say you've never been in a homosexual relationship. Let me assure you, it is.
It's even happier when ignorant people stop trying to deny us equal oppurtunities because of their ewwness factor-based morality.

It shouldn't because it is not natural. it goes against reproduction and the continuation of the human species.

May I ask what definition of "natural" you people are using? Because it seems to me, what the anti-equality crowd defines as "unnatural" usually actually means "omg, guys, it, like, is against the norm and stuff! Srsly!" Which hardly makes something unnatural.

And is reproduction really the only purpose life serves for you? If so, I really pity you (more than I already do).

exactly, their behavior is also unnatural.

How? How can an animal, that only acts on instinct, defy nature?

Well, actually Christians have more to contribute to the world than the gay community. they make the babies you so claim to be "parents" over.

Ah, so contributing to the world means reproducing like horny jackrabbits? Interesting. I thought contributing to the world meant doing something beneficial, not just popping out another generation of useless, bratty "me me" focused twerps whose parents did a terrible job raising them. Any moron can have and raise a kid. I thought contributing to the world meant, I don't know, actually doing something beyond usual, everyday life.

And yeah, I'll remember how well those Christian parents do their job when I reflect on the number of kids that are homeless because their holy, loving Christian parents threw them out of the house because they were gay.

gays should have no rights? what would you do with all the gay people?

Well, observing the "reasonableness" of the rest of his post, I bet it's something along the lines of extermination... At the least, I'm sure it would involve much persecution.

God bless that Christian love! :angel2:
Don't you feel the love, Mike?
Such loving people, them Christians...

 

[Nanda]

and where did that baby come from? someone gave birth after havign sex with a member of the opposite sex. oh that's right.....

Or used a sperm bank. Look, I'm not anti-heterosexual, and I'm certainly not anti-heterosexual sex. I'm just also not anti-gay. I believe that everyone has a right to happiness, not just a select few, so don't try to turn this into a "if you're pro-gay you're anti-hetero" thing, because that's just absurd.

where did the sperm bank get its sperm? from a male. and that is disgusting too by the way

I'm sure the Christian women with infertile husbands who use such facilities would disagree with your assessment. But even if they didn't, I don't really care. Just because you think something is disgusting doesn't make it so. You're going to have to come up with a better attack than that.

gayness never was happiness, oh wait, never mind, if you use the archaic form of gay then it just means happy.

Not for you. All my gay friends seem much happier in their homosexual relationships than when they tried to play it straight, and that's enough to convince me that you're dead wrong.

It shouldn't because it is not natural. it goes against reproduction and the continuation of the human species.

exactly, their behavior is also unnatural.

The behavior of natural animals is unnatural? By whose definition? Yours?

Well, actually Christians have more to contribute to the world than the gay community. they make the babies you so claim to be "parents" over.

Yes, what this overpopulated world needs more of is babies; we certainly don't have enough of those already. Reproducing is hardly a contribution to society at this point; if anything, it's selfish.

And incidentally (not that it matters but I thought I should point out to you since you seem to be quick to jump to conclusions) I'm not gay. I'm a married woman who did some of that baby making you seem to think makes relationships more valid. Only I don't think my relationship with my husband is any more valid than that of any gay couple, and honestly, if gays are allowed state recognized civil unions, and marriage becomes a church practice, I want my "marriage" changed to a civil union.