Homosexuality and religion

[sojourner]

Technically thats not what it means, since being gay implies you arent attracted by the opposite sex and straight implies you arent attracted by the same sex . To be frank I am not sure what this discussion is about other then semantics. I do believe homosexuality is about attraction and not action, though.

Bisexual is normatively a completely different identity from homosexual. To lump the two together is...


Bigotry.

 

[Pagan_Patriot]

Well, if you want to start "arguing like a liberal," instead of like a conservative, you need to start arguing with logic.

Naaa, as long as I throw thw race card around, I'm ok haha. I've been getting lots of practice. Now I've move up. If you disagree with me, you're a war monger

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Bisexual is normatively a completely different identity from homosexual. To lump the two together is...


Bigotry.

Call it what you want, I've no problem with you thinking I'm a bigot. I have nothing against people based on their sexual orientation, I just call a duck a duck

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Technically thats not what it means, since being gay implies you arent attracted by the opposite sex and straight implies you arent attracted by the same sex . To be frank I am not sure what this discussion is about other then semantics. I do believe homosexuality is about attraction and not action, though.

And yes, I agree completely. This discussion is completely about semantics.

 

[Kerr]

Bisexual is normatively a completely different identity from homosexual. To lump the two together is...


Bigotry.

I wouldnt neccessarily say bigotry in this case, since he also lumps it together with hetrosexuality. But it doesnt make any sense.

 

[sojourner]

Naaa, as long as I throw thw race card around, I'm ok haha. I've been getting lots of practice. Now I've move up. If you disagree with me, you're a war monger

Disagreement =/= "warmonger." It = freedom of choice.

FYI, Homosexuality has nothing to do with race.

 

[sojourner]

I wouldnt neccessarily say bigotry in this case, since he also lumps it together with hetrosexuality. But it doesnt make any sense.

Bigotry is the unreasonable labeling of others primarily by reason of difference to some perceived "norm."

 

[sojourner]

Call it what you want, I've no problem with you thinking I'm a bigot. I have nothing against people based on their sexual orientation, I just call a duck a duck

You don't have to have anything "against" them. This really doesn't have anything to do with what you have a problem with. It has everything to do with you not having the right to label others based upon your own perceptions of them.

 

[sojourner]

And yes, I agree completely. This discussion is completely about semantics.

Your semantics are completely off-base and ill-conceived.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Bigotry is the unreasonable labeling of others primarily by reason of difference to some perceived "norm."

I never said anyone of any orientation was "normal" or not...

 

[Camatose]

You must be dense... How many times do I have to explain my position to you? It IS in fact possible to be two things. You can be gay AND a pedophile, as any man who rapes a boy is. If someone is Chinese and Japanese are you gonna badger them for hours saying "which one are you"?

But obviously you think homosexuality is just like pedophilia, am I wrong ? there's a possiblty to be a homosexual and a pedophile and the time, here's the thing it seems you mixed them up and our topic isn't about pedophiles ?

 

[Pagan_Patriot]

But obviously you think homosexuality is just like pedophilia, am I wrong ? there's a possiblty to be a homosexual and a pedophile and the time, here's the thing it seems you mixed them up and our topic isn't about pedophiles ?

Thats not what hes saying. Hes saying that male pedophiles who touch young boys are gay.

 

[sojourner]

Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person’s sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors, and membership in a community of others who share those attractions. Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of one’s own sex), and bisexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to both men and women).

from here

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

You don't have to have anything "against" them. This really doesn't have anything to do with what you have a problem with. It has everything to do with you not having the right to label others based upon your own perceptions of them.

That's how these "society-accepted" labels you talk about came into being... If that's the case, the people who first came up with the definition of a sexual orientation label were bigots, but are no longer labeled such because you agree with them...

 

[sojourner]

I never said anyone of any orientation was "normal" or not...

"Norm" has nothing to do with the person being "normal." It has to do with attitudes, definitions, parameters, and patterns of behavior and relating to one another being "normal."

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

But obviously you think homosexuality is just like pedophilia, am I wrong ? there's a possiblty to be a homosexual and a pedophile and the time, here's the thing it seems you mixed them up and our topic isn't about pedophiles ?

No, that's not at all what I said... Take the time to read.

 

[sojourner]

That's how these "society-accepted" labels you talk about came into being... If that's the case, the people who first came up with the definition of a sexual orientation label were bigots, but are no longer labeled such because you agree with them...

The people, themselves, identify themselves as they choose. They do not rely upon you to provide a label for them.

 

[Kerr]

Bigotry is the unreasonable labeling of others primarily by reason of difference to some perceived "norm."

According to wikipedia:

Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's ethnicity, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

I consider how I.S.L.A.M617 uses the term "gay" to be flawed and inaccurate. That isnt the same as it being bigotry, because so far I havent seen hatred, contempt or intolerance towards homosexuals. Just a flawed use of the term.

Keep in mind that I am not always that good at reading between the lines and I can very well miss something.

 

[sojourner]

You might want to take a look at these:

Where Can I find more Information About Homosexuality?
American Psychological Association
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Concerns Office
750 First Street, NE
Washington, DC 20002
E-mail
Mental Health America (formerly the National Mental Health Association)
2000 N. Beauregard Street, 6th Floor
Alexandria, VA 22311
Main Switchboard: (703) 684-7722
Toll-free: (800) 969-6MHA (6642)
TTY: (800) 433-5959
Fax: (703) 684-5968

What Does Gay Mean? How to Talk With Kids About Sexual Orientation and Prejudice

An anti-bullying program designed to improve understanding and respect for youth who are gay/lesbian/bisexual/ transgender (GLBT). Centered on an educational booklet called What Does Gay Mean? How to Talk with Kids About Sexual Orientation and Prejudice, the program encourages parents and others to communicate and share values of respect with their children.American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)
Division of Child and Adolescent Health
141 Northwest Point Blvd.
Elk Grove Village, IL 60007
Office: (847) 228-5005
Fax: (847) 228-5097

Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Teens: Facts for Teens and Their Parents

Source

 

[sojourner]

According to wikipedia:

I consider how I.S.L.A.M617 uses the term "gay" to be flawed and inaccurate. That isnt the same as it being bigotry, because so far I havent seen hatred, contempt or intolerance towards homosexuals. Just a flawed use of the term.

Keep in mind that I am not always that good at reading between the lines and I can very well miss something.

To unfairly label someone is an act of contempt and intolerance. Respect and tolerance dictate that we allow persons to identify themselves.