Homosexuality and religion

[sojourner]

Here's a useful link:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/alternative-truths/201005/why-its-dangerous-label-people

 

[Kerr]

To unfairly label someone is an act of contempt and intolerance. Respect and tolerance dictate that we allow persons to identify themselves.

It can be, you have a point about that. And as I said I find his uses of the terms very flawed. But I am way too tired right now to tell if thats the case here. It might just be a case of this.

(src: xkcd: Duty Calls)

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Perhaps you do...
In fact, I've never thought that about you. I do believe your posts are intentionally provocative for the purposes of your own entertainment at our expense.

No, I actually mean everything I say, let's get that out in the open right now.

 

[sojourner]

It can be, you have a point about that. And as I said I find his uses of the terms very flawed. But I am way too tired right now to tell if thats the case here. It might just be a case of this.

(src: xkcd: Duty Calls)

I believe it has more to do with head games.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I think we shouldnt try and define someone elses sexuality for them.

I'm not defining their sexuality for them, I'm expressing my opinion on what their sexuality is. I thought I was pretty clear about that

 

[Kerr]

I believe it has more to do with head games.

Which would be an example of trolling rather then bigotry .

 

[sojourner]

No, I actually mean everything I say, let's get that out in the open right now.

Promise?

 

[sojourner]

I'm not defining their sexuality for them, I'm expressing my opinion on what their sexuality is. I thought I was pretty clear about that

Well...

You're wrong. Argument settled.

Next?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Promise?

Really, all sarcasm aside, I mean everything I say in my posts unless it's obviously in a joking manner. I honestly believe people who sexually assault others of the same sex are homosexual, regardless of the "politically correct" definitions, and also honestly believe the arguments I make in other threads. I will admit it is entertaining to see people's reactions to my posts sometimes and I wouldn't post on here if it wasn't entertaining, but my purpose isn't to be controversial, just to express my opinions.

 

[Kerr]

I'm not defining their sexuality for them, I'm expressing my opinion on what their sexuality is. I thought I was pretty clear about that

And you are entitled to your opinion. But thats beside the point, the point is that the way you argue you are "defining" or "labeling" them when its their job to do that.

Keep in mind its late and my brain doesnt work properly, so I might miss details and screw up my arguments .

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

And you are entitled to your opinion. But thats beside the point, the point is that the way you argue you are "defining" or "labeling" them when its their job to do that.

Keep in mind its late and my brain doesnt work properly, so I might miss details and screw up my arguments .

My intent isn't to tell people what they are, just to express what I think they are.

 

[sojourner]

Really, all sarcasm aside, I mean everything I say in my posts unless it's obviously in a joking manner. I honestly believe people who sexually assault others of the same sex are homosexual, regardless of the "politically correct" definitions, and also honestly believe the arguments I make in other threads. I will admit it is entertaining to see people's reactions to my posts sometimes and I wouldn't post on here if it wasn't entertaining, but my purpose isn't to be controversial, just to express my opinions.

What about "regardless of how they would identify themselves?" Of course, you may believe whatever you choose to believe about other people, but the moment those beliefs appear on the internet, those beliefs cross the line into becoming inappropriate, harmful and divisive statements that are made in the name of your own entertainment, and at the expense of those who are the subjects of your statements. Once that happens, it becomes discrimination and discrimination is violence -- no matter what you may believe about the statements. Those statements might also be defined as bullying (which is also violence).

I'm constrained by social convention and the rules of this forum to state my thoughts with regard to post #161.

 

[sojourner]

My intent isn't to tell people what they are, just to express what I think they are.

See #175.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

What about "regardless of how they would identify themselves?" Of course, you may believe whatever you choose to believe about other people, but the moment those beliefs appear on the internet, those beliefs cross the line into becoming inappropriate, harmful and divisive statements that are made in the name of your own entertainment, and at the expense of those who are the subjects of your statements. Once that happens, it becomes discrimination and discrimination is violence -- no matter what you may believe about the statements. Those statements might also be defined as bullying (which is also violence).

I'm constrained by social convention and the rules of this forum to state my thoughts with regard to post #161.

So you're saying it's violence to consider a same sex rapist a homosexual? -.-...

 

[sojourner]

So you're saying it's violence to consider a same sex rapist a homosexual? -.-...

I'm saying it's violence to label other people in public, if it's a label they wouldn't choose for themselves.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I wouldn't call it violence, at the absolute most I'd say it's libel/slander... People have become overly sensitive; the fact that "bullying" has become such a strong word is evidence of such. So begins the end of free speech

 

[sojourner]

I wouldn't call it violence, at the absolute most I'd say it's libel/slander... People have become overly sensitive; the fact that "bullying" has become such a strong word is evidence of such. So begins the end of free speech

People have become overly entitled with regard to flapping their yap. There's a difference between free speech and bullying/verbal assault. Just as our right to peaceably assemble has boundaries, so should our speech. Boundaries are necessary for civility.

 

[sojourner]

I wouldn't call it violence, at the absolute most I'd say it's libel/slander... People have become overly sensitive; the fact that "bullying" has become such a strong word is evidence of such. So begins the end of free speech

If you think it's libelous or slanderous, why would you want to say it???

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

If you think it's libelous or slanderous, why would you want to say it???

I don't think it's libelous or slanderous, I said that's the most you could call it if you wanted to be critical. As far as why I would want to: because it's my opinion and I say what's on my mind.

 

[sojourner]

I don't think it's libelous or slanderous, I said that's the most you could call it if you wanted to be critical. As far as why I would want to: because it's my opinion and I say what's on my mind.

Even if it's unnecessary and hurtful to others?