Homosexuality and religious.

[Vinayaka]

Good for you, I am not a homophic person either.

Then you don't belong to the Baha'i faith? When did you renounce that? I must have missed that part. /s

Seriously though, have you signed the card yet?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Okay then. I am not surprised. @It Ain't Necessarily So tried to explain it.

Try this as an analogy.
1) I live in Canada.
2) The capital of Canada is Ottawa.

Therefore, you can conclude that Vinayak's capital city of his country is Ottawa, and not London.

Huh? No idea what you trying to explain

 

[Vinayaka]

Huh? No idea what you trying to explain

It's a simple logic thing, but apparently you don't understand logic.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Then you don't belong to the Baha'i faith? When did you renounce that? I must have missed that part. /s

Seriously though, have you signed the card yet?

Baha'i is not homophobic, if you want to believe it is, that is up to you.
I am just as much a Baha'i as any other Baha'i.

According to Baha'i teaching if I was a how person i would have to choose between God or lust.
But since I am a straight person i don't judge people who are different than myself.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's a simple logic thing, but apparently you don't understand logic.

Oh dang.....

 

[Vinayaka]

Do you agree with this conclusion for points 1and 2?
1. Christians believe in Christ.
2. John is a Christian.

Conclusion ... therefore John believes in Christ.

 

[Vinayaka]

Baha'i is not homophobic, if you want to believe it is, that is up to you.
I am just as much a Baha'i as any other Baha'i.

According to Baha'i teaching if I was a how person i would have to choose between God or lust.
But since I am a straight person i don't judge people who are different than myself.

Why do you believe that the Baha'i faith is not homophobic? Did you read the links provided by gay former Bahai's? After all, they are the ones most affected, and I think would know the most about the topic, as it really hits them personally. For me and you, it's nowhere near so personal.

 

[F1fan]

Baha'i is not homophobic, if you want to believe it is, that is up to you.
I am just as much a Baha'i as any other Baha'i.

Excellent. The leadership finally eliminated their law against homosexuals. So now they will fully accept everyone.

According to Baha'i teaching if I was a how person i would have to choose between God or lust.
But since I am a straight person i don't judge people who are different than myself.

A how person? Did you mean to say gay?

So being gay is lust, in your judgment?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Why do you believe that the Baha'i faith is not homophobic? Did you read the links provided by gay former Bahai's? After all, they are the ones most affected, and I think would know the most about the topic, as it really hits them personally. For me and you, it's nowhere near so personal.

Because each person have to choose for them selves if they want to follow the teaching or not. Each person who believe in God and want to be with God would have to follow Gods law or commands. But they are free to not do it, and thenthey are on their own.

 

[loverofhumanity]

oh good grief....I think I am experiencing an irony overload.

What actually do you believe in Sheldon? Any recommendations for a good book you think I should read. I believe we each have some truth that we can learn from each other so please feel free to share.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Excellent. The leadership finally eliminated their law against homosexuals. So now they will fully accept everyone.


A how person? Did you mean to say gay?

So being gay is lust, in your judgment?

Yes I meant gay person.
To be gay is a lot more than lust, but to be with God one has to leave lust, that could for straight person too by the way

 

[F1fan]

Because each person have to choose for them selves if they want to follow the teaching or not.

Why would a moral person decide to follow teachings that include prejudice against gays? I have not heard an honest explanation yet. I only hear that it is the teachings. Sure, it's an immoral teaching. My question is why a person would join a religious grou with the intention to better themselves, but understands it has a highly immoral position against gays.

Each person who believe in God and want to be with God would have to follow Gods law or commands.

Yet Bahai admit that God only interacts with Messengers, so are you confusing the dogma of Bahai as God?

But they are free to not do it, and thenthey are on their own.

It seems the atheists are doing vastly better with morals than religious followers, so perhaps being on our own is superior.

 

[F1fan]

Yes I meant gay person.
To be gay is a lot more than lust, but to be with God one has to leave lust, that could for straight person too by the way

Yet the rules as explained by Bahai is not lust, it is marriage and sexual intimacy that is accepted in straight relationships. So it is a double standard and basic prejudice. Explain who you have aligned your morality to this obsolete view.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Why would a moral person decide to follow teachings that include prejudice against gays? I have not heard an honest explanation yet. I only hear that it is the teachings. Sure, it's an immoral teaching. My question is why a person would join a religious grou with the intention to better themselves, but understands it has a highly immoral position against gays.


Yet Bahai admit that God only interacts with Messengers, so are you confusing the dogma of Bahai as God?


It seems the atheists are doing vastly better with morals than religious followers, so perhaps being on our own is superior.

A religious person would want to follow God. And do what God say is beste for the believer. The guidelines from God are meant for those who want to be with God.
The message do come through messenger yes. But that does not change the belief thst they are from God through the messager.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yet the rules as explained by Bahai is not lust, it is marriage and sexual intimacy that is accepted in straight relationships. So it is a double standard and basic prejudice. Explain who you have aligned your morality to this obsolete view.

It means sex are meant for making babies. By man and women

 

[F1fan]

A religious person would want to follow God.

Religious people don;t follow gods, they follow texts and a leadership that uses that text as an authority. there are no actual Gods leading anyone.

If there was any real Gods out there leading religious folk then they sure as hell wouldn;t need religions, they would have an actual God.

And do what God say is beste for the believer.

Usually how mortal leaders make these decisions, and followers follow, often without thinking. They are being obedient to what the mortals in leadership say.

The guidelines from God are meant for those who want to be with God.

Assuming the texts are not frauds. If theists had actual Gods they wouldn;t need texts. That they do sugegsts they are following dogma and mortals, not any Gods.

The message do come through messenger yes. But that does not change the belief thst they are from God through the messager.

Of courtse you have to believe, but I don't see Bahai being adequately suspicious about the texts and the claims of a Messenger. It's all pretty far-fetched.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Religious people don;t follow gods, they follow texts and a leadership that uses that text as an authority. there are no actual Gods leading anyone.

If there was any real Gods out there leading religious folk then they sure as hell wouldn;t need religions, they would have an actual God.


Usually how mortal leaders make these decisions, and followers follow, often without thinking. They are being obedient to what the mortals in leadership say.


Assuming the texts are not frauds. If theists had actual Gods they wouldn;t need texts. That they do sugegsts they are following dogma and mortals, not any Gods.


Of courtse you have to believe, but I don't see Bahai being adequately suspicious about the texts and the claims of a Messenger. It's all pretty far-fetched.

well who cares what believers say any way

 

[F1fan]

It means sex are meant for making babies. By man and women

According to the social sciences this is not a healthy attitude. Humans enjoy sex and there is no deviancy in enjoying it.

I suspect you make this excuse to help justify an immoral judgment against gays. That damages any moral credibility.

 

[F1fan]

well who cares what believers say any way

All of us. Are you giving up?

 

[Spirit of Light]

According to the social sciences this is not a healthy attitude. Humans enjoy sex and there is no deviancy in enjoying it.

I suspect you make this excuse to help justify an immoral judgment against gays. That damages any moral credibility.

I said that because it is my personal opinion about sex.