Homosexuality and religious.

[Spirit of Light]

All of us. Are you giving up?

Giving up? Why?

People will always disagree, and this discussion only goes in circle.

But I have my faith and belief.
You have your understanding

 

[loverofhumanity]

Does it really matter what people who believe in Baha'u'llah say at all in here? I have nothing to prove to people like @Sheldon

I was far worse and that was 45 years ago! I used to believe Baha’is were mentally deranged and tried to convert them away from Baha’u’llah. In the end I too became mentally deranged and loving every moment of it. Lol.

 

[F1fan]

I said that because it is my personal opinion about sex.

So how is it relevant to what we were discussing, the immoral view and justifications made by the Bahai religion?

So just having sex ONLY for babies is YOUR view, and not Bahai? If so, why is Bahai prohibiting gays who are married and have sex?

 

[Spirit of Light]

So how is it relevant to what we were discussing, the immoral view and justifications made by the Bahai religion?

So just having sex ONLY for babies is YOUR view, and not Bahai? If so, why is Bahai prohibiting gays who are married and have sex?

It is relevant because it means sex isn't important to live a healthy relationship.

As I said before, my girlfriend is Bi-sexual, you think I am against gay people?

I mind my own business in my own relationship, what others do in their relationship is up to them.

 

[Vinayaka]

Because each person have to choose for them selves if they want to follow the teaching or not. Each person who believe in God and want to be with God would have to follow Gods law or commands. But they are free to not do it, and thenthey are on their own.

So then you did not read the article? Meet A Baha’i Activist Pushing For LGBTQ Tolerance In His Faith If you don't want to read the entire thing, I'd suggest just the last paragraph.

 

[Vinayaka]

well who cares what believers say any way

I care. Many people care a whole lot, because some believers can be very damaging to mankind.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So then you did not read the article? Meet A Baha’i Activist Pushing For LGBTQ Tolerance In His Faith If you don't want to read the entire thing, I'd suggest just the last paragraph.

I have read it.
I do not speak for other people than myself.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I care. Many people care a whole lot, because some believers can be very damaging to mankind.

So Baha'is are damaging to others?

 

[Vinayaka]

A religious person would want to follow God. And do what God say is beste for the believer. The guidelines from God are meant for those who want to be with God.
The message do come through messenger yes. But that does not change the belief thst they are from God through the messager.

So God, and messengers are okay with being homophobic. Some love that is.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So God, and messengers are okay with being homophobic. Some love that is.

It is not homophobic, God gave the rules humans should follow.
Believers are Gods servants on earth, if you are an atheist then do as you please

 

[Vinayaka]

I have read it.
I do not speak for other people than myself.

But it's not about you. It's about 2 very sincere (and I suspect a lot more) gay folks who became Baha'i, found out about the homophobia, tried to do something from the inside out, but ran into huge roadblocks. This isn't about you or me, it's about people who are discriminated against. It would be like if the Baha'i UHJ suddenly ruled that being celibate before the age of 65 goes against the rules.

What the non-Baha'i are doing in this thread is sticking up for a minority that gets discriminated against.

 

[Vinayaka]

It is not homophobic, God gave the rules humans should follow.
Believers are Gods servants on earth, if you are an atheist then do as you please

But I'm not an atheist, I'm a Hindu. My God loves everyone. Hinduism is open to all, including gays of course.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Again, we hear the same thing from born-again Christians. They believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. They say that there is "proof" that the Earth isn't billions of years old. They say there is "proof" that the Earth was completely flooded. They have "proof" that the dinosaurs and humans lived together. Christian? Baha'is? The stories sound equally possible. Either one could be true. Or both could be wrong. But the "proofs" both of them use aren't all that convincing to some people. It takes a lot of "faith" to believe them.

Hi CG. I understand that people discuss these controversies but Baha’i and Baha’u’llah are really about other much more pressing issues such as the millions of people suffering in Ukraine due to war, in Myanmar and Iran dur to brutal oppression and also Syria, Yemen and other problems.

Baha’u’llah came to help these people and Baha’is see it as a defective system that is responsible for not being able to address these grave situations and so is thriving day and night to encourage the world to establish a just system where the tyrant, oppressor and war criminal can no longer rule.

Because of gross injustices, civil wars are arising all over the world with the UN paralysed by the veto option to do anything at all. This is really what Baha’u’llah and Baha’is are concerned about rather than if there was a flood or the meanings of the Bible. These things are important but not so much as the suffering and oppressed millions.

I think it’s being unthoughtful and even selfish for any of us not to be seeking for a way to help our fellow human beings. If there is a solution then we should all get behind it. It doesn’t matter who’s idea it is. People need rescuing from oppression and war and we who stand by watching are guilty if we do not even speak up about it.

 

[Vinayaka]

So Baha'is are damaging to others?

Yes. The people in the article felt horrible. He tried so hard and got nowhere. The Baha'i faith was the cause of that. He really wanted to be a Baha'i because he believed in Baha'u'llah, and all of the rest of the good things the religion meant to him. He just had one problem, and that was that he was gay. So yes he was excluded from a religion he loved and respected.

 

[Spirit of Light]

But it's not about you. It's about 2 very sincere (and I suspect a lot more) gay folks who became Baha'i, found out about the homophobia, tried to do something from the inside out, but ran into huge roadblocks. This isn't about you or me, it's about people who are discriminated against. It would be like if the Baha'i UHJ suddenly ruled that being celibate before the age of 65 goes against the rules.

What the non-Baha'i are doing in this thread is sticking up for a minority that gets discriminated against.

Bahai's trying to follow God messeage, if a person can't do it, that is on the person. Not on God or the messenger
Following a religious teaching isn't easy, it isn't meant to be easy. It will transforme the person.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Okay then. I am not surprised. @It Ain't Necessarily So tried to explain it.

Try this as an analogy.
1) I live in Canada.
2) The capital of Canada is Ottawa.

Therefore, you can conclude that Vinayak's capital city of his country is Ottawa, and not London.

My dear wife recently has commented on what a beautiful country Canada is from watching YouTube.

 

[Vinayaka]

I think it’s being unthoughtful and even selfish for any of us not to be seeking for a way to help our fellow human beings.

That's what the non-Bahais are doing in this thread ... trying to help our fellow human beings.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes. The people in the article felt horrible. He tried so hard and got nowhere. The Baha'i faith was the cause of that. He really wanted to be a Baha'i because he believed in Baha'u'llah, and all of the rest of the good things the religion meant to him. He just had one problem, and that was that he was gay. So yes he was excluded from a religion he loved and respected.

He could be a Baha'i but sometimes it Cost to be a believer. One have to try to do as God want us to do.

 

[Vinayaka]

Bahai's trying to follow God messeage, if a person can't do it, that is on the person. Not on God or the messenger
Following a religious teaching isn't easy, it isn't meant to be easy. It will transforme the person.

But there are mixed messages. One is equality for all, and the other is not equality for all.

 

[Vinayaka]

He could be a Baha'i but sometimes it Cost to be a believer. One have to try to do as God want us to do.

No he can't.