Homosexuality and religious.

[TransmutingSoul]

Even in discussing out two countries, you can't leave Baha'i out of it. That says a lot.

Yes we get icy weather. Even the Baha'i have to deal with it. No 'manifestation' saving them from that. The geography and climate in Canada varies widely, and one place can also vary widely from year to year. Weather wise, there is never a dull moment. Our high today is +21, but Saturday is predicted to be +2. I've seen snow every month but July.

From Normanton, can you drive north to the sea, or is that route impassable? Google maps wasn't too clear on it. All I can see is one very isolated place. How did you end up there?

Sorry thought you may be interested in the entertainment side of the person from Canada. I thought if I dis not mention he was a Baha'i, that would be the issue.

From what I understand he is involved in the entertainment industry in Canada, I only explained a story of the extremities we face at the same time of the year, from an experience I had with a Canadian, who went out and caught mud crabs with us in such extreme heat.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think you missed my point.

The point is we are all human and we portray much diversity.

I understood the point you wanted to make. I do not see that is why Baha'i spread the Message of Baha’u’llah, we urgently, as a human race, need to find our unity, in our diversity and the onlyy way we can achieve that, is by considering our oneness as a race and the common values we share.

No one said that would be easy, the world reflects the difficulties we face.

Sorry start work now as 6am.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

As regards to humanism I believe that no man however acute his knowledge and perception may be, can ever hope to reach the heights of wisdom and understanding of the Divine Physician God. And that it is only through adherence to the laws of God for each age that humanity can progress and advance.

The True Educators of men have always been the Prophets and Messengers of God. Many so called humane laws originated from one Manifestation of God or Another, ideas copied from Them by men, and then rebranded by them in a non religious form claiming originality.

All and any humanistic teaching or doctrines which benefit humanity I firmly believe can be traced back to the teachings revealed by God to One or Another Manifestations except of course that there is no God.

The Baha’i teachings contain a lot more than just humanism but a blueprint for a world civilisation. Virtues like justice and compassion taught by humanism have their origin in countless teachings from the Manifestations which are just plagiarised and rebranded without a God. But without the power of God it cannot rejuvenate or rehabilitate the fortunes of mankind. I believe only God’s Elixir, His teachings can achieve that.

Definition of Humanism - American Humanist Association

I believe your inference that humanism plagiarized religious folk is false. Here is an article on the origins of humanism that illustrates my point. Renaissance Humanism

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When your faith promotes bigotry against an entire group of people, calling it out as bigotry is not bigotry.
It's just calling something out for what it is.

It's like the old argument that goes something like you're being intolerant of our intolerant views so you're the intolerant one. Nah.

Then are laws of the land just bigotry? Who determines what laws are and what laws are not?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yeah, but maybe diversity is the true goal and not you being the gardner of how to do all the flowers. Have you given that some thought?

God is the Gardener and planted the diversity of all the gardens found around the world, Gardens that God appointed the Supervisor's to. Those Supervisors appoint tasks.

That's what I consider, the tasks appointed to me.

Regards Tony

 

[F1fan]

I think you will find the word bigot will apply to you approach to our faith.

A pot calling kettle black type of situation!

Regards Tony

Nope, I didn’t find that. I find the admission of Bahai of an anti gay law in their religion to be bigoted since any prejudice against a class of people is bigotry. It has nothing to do with anyone else.

 

[Vinayaka]

And what if Baha’u’llah is right?

This is about the tenth time you've stated that in the last few years on RF. The 'what if' scenario is false logic at its best. What if apples are actually oranges in disguise? What if Elvis Presley had never existed? What if all the unpublished writings of Baha'u'llah demonstrate his hatred of black people? It simply doesn't work, and has no place in mature discussion.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

God is the Gardener and planted the diversity of all the gardens found around the world, Gardens that God appointed the Supervisor's to. Those Supervisors appoint tasks.

That's what I consider, the tasks appointed to me.

Regards Tony

Well, I use a different gardener. And I am not one of your tasks and you are not one of mine.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What? Now you're the prophet?

Why say it that way?

No, I am giving my thoughts from what is recorded already, what I have read from the Prophets.

I could of quoted, but that would also meet a negative response.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Sorry thought you may be interested in the entertainment side of the person from Canada. I thought if I dis not mention he was a Baha'i, that would be the issue.

From what I understand he is involved in the entertainment industry in Canada, I only explained a story of the extremities we face at the same time of the year, from an experience I had with a Canadian, who went out and caught mud crabs with us in such extreme heat.

Regards Tony

Oh I know. I once knew a Hindu from Australia too. (Doesn't that sound like trivial and unnecessary information to you?)

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And what if Baha’u’llah is right?

Or what if wrong? Or what if it is really unknown what God is? Or what if that is not all of it? Or what if you didn't just use one what if?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Then are laws of the land just bigotry? Who determines what laws are and what laws are not?

Regards Tony

Sorry, what?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Why say it that way?

No, I am giving my thoughts from what is recorded already, what I have read from the Prophets.

I could of quoted, but that would also meet a negative response.

Regards Tony

Yes, we are not all like you and how you deal with the world.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Well, I use a different gardener. And I am not one of your tasks and you are not one of mine.

I would suggest you then consider your desire in visiting this garden. I have WHS duties in this garden. The exit is over there, but you are welcome anytime if you come to like the beauty found in this garden, as in reality, it reflects the beauty of all gardens.

Regards Tony

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Sorry, what?

If there is no absolute law, there are only wrong, bigoted laws.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I would suggest you then consider your desire in visiting this garden. I have WHS duties in this garden. The exit is over there, but you are welcome anytime if you come to like the beauty found in this garden, as in reality, it reflects the beauty of all gardens.

Regards Tony

Yeah, no thanks.

 

[Vinayaka]

I would suggest you then consider your desire in visiting this garden. I have WHS duties in this garden. The exit is over there, but you are welcome anytime if you come to like the beauty found in this garden, as in reality, it reflects the beauty of all gardens.

Regards Tony

What is WHS?

 

[F1fan]

I would suggest you then consider your desire in visiting this garden. I have WHS duties in this garden. The exit is over there, but you are welcome anytime if you come to like the beauty found in this garden, as in reality, it reflects the beauty of all gardens.

Regards Tony

Run by gardeners who treat roses like weeds.

Roses are gay people in case it wasn’t apparent.

 

[dybmh]

it is only through adherence to the laws of God for each age that humanity can progress and advance.

It's interesting to consider the way the law has changed, in theory, throughout the ages. The law, according to Baha'i, has changed to be more inclusive, less tribal, with more humane punishments. This strongly suggests humanity is progressing.

And yet, humanity on the whole, has not and does not adhere to the laws of God. How can there be progress, if progress **only** occurs through adherence? Using the word "only" makes the assertion difficult to defend. Any example of progress, in this case the law progressing, makes the entire idea invalid.

 

[Vinayaka]

Why say it that way?

No, I am giving my thoughts from what is recorded already, what I have read from the Prophets.

I could of quoted, but that would also meet a negative response.

Regards Tony

You said, clearly. "That will change." The fact is you don't know that at all. It may change, but not in the way you insinuated. Isn't anyone who feels they can predict the future a prophet (from prophecy) of sorts. I have absolutely no idea what this world has in store for mankind.