homosexuality disproves evolution

[The Wizard]

Man all this heated discussion you guys need a cool swim like this guy

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LOL.. No, I'm pretty much done. I don't see anything left to really discuss over the topic at this point until I look further into things. It's going to the back burner to ponder about when I get bored again. I'm having a difficult time swallowing the genetics beats all possible answers truth pill. Sorry... that's all.... IMO.

 

[Vendetta]

I hear ya...did you guys see the video? Its hilarious

 

[Polarcrest]

Yes it's 100% true that homosexuality disproves evolution IF and I do meen IF 100% of that species practiced it. Which no species does. In fact a very small % of humans do practice this on a consistant basis. ALSO, many gay people do have kids from previous "engagements".

You know most species in the world practice in same sex "fun".

Ever see dogs going at it? They don't care if it's a female, a male, a cat or a cactus (Funny Story for ya later)

Homosexuality does not prevent evolution and to say that just indicates that you have no idea the concept of evolution.

The strong survive. Well obviously nature would dictate that those people who did not reproduce were not in the strong catagory and wouldn't pass on but...evolution does have an intersting way about things.

"Life Will Find a Way" ever heard that term?

 

[Alceste]

LOL.. No, I'm pretty much done. I don't see anything left to really discuss over the topic at this point until I look further into things. It's going to the back burner to ponder about when I get bored again. I'm having a difficult time swallowing the genetics beats all possible answers truth pill. Sorry... that's all.... IMO.

Lol. Wow. Even the Wizard is having a tough time swallowing his own BS. No wonder nobody else can either.

 

[The Wizard]

Wizard may be right to a degree, so lets not get too hasty...I think it is possible to reinforce sexual behaviours by repetition.

An experiment carried out by a scientist in the 50's involved stimulating the sexual pleasure aspect of the brain using electrical impulses from inserted electrodes.
The scientist was trying to cure a homosexual man of homosexuality by showing images of naked females and heterosexual sex whilst electrically stimulating the pleasure part of the brain as described..it worked to a degree the man started to find females sexually arousing but he still found males sexually arousing...the scientist had actually 'made' him bisexual....bit of a backfire....according to the story in my book.

This shows how flexible an enherent orientation can be. Because people could possibly be equiped with all orientations since human affection and love is a necessity. Then one type becomes the dominant sometime afterwards.

Sounds similiar to practices of hyptnotism or psycho-shock therepy. An orientation is created by deep- inner developements along with external influences, especially when a person is in the growing/development state like with youth.

Such "external device" approaches, from what I know, would not be permanant and longlasting, but I could be wrong like with your above event. It would also depend on the individual and circumstances. It definately must be a true motivation, choice and desire from within the person at any rate... IMO.

 

[The Wizard]

Lol. Wow. Even the Wizard is having a tough time swallowing his own BS. No wonder nobody else can either.

And, that BS would be what exactly?

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

No other choice is possible if happiness and following their true nature is concerned.

On this part, it is not about a moral right or wrong for which I am referring and not about the question of why someone would wish to change their orientation.

Do they have to marry two people now since were talking about an overruling genetic disposition or orientation?

I still don't see how someone's own choices can be trumped by the genetic factor concerning desired change,

No.
You don't see it.
You refuse to see it.
You ignore when people decsribe it to you.

Sadly,
You simply do NOT grasp the issue, and you refuse to even try, it seems.


There is NO CHOICE in Orientation.
There IS choice in ACTIONS.

If only you could grasp this.


Iasion

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

So, how does this principle correlate with an individual that becomes homosexual later on in life? Or, if they change their desires to hetrosexual. Are they a true homosexual or not? Did they have no choice in the matter or not? Does it become a true Scottsman scenerio? If a bi-sexual gets married are they then contradicting their "inherent orientation" thereby having the fate of being miserable?

Wrong.

They changed theor ACTIONS.
They did NOT change their orientation.

If only you could grasp this very simple idea.

I don't see much evidence that an inherent orientation cannot be successfully changed if someone desires it and under the right circumstances?

Of course you don't see it.
You refuse to see it.
You have your eyes closed.


Iasion

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

LOL.. No, I'm pretty much done. I don't see anything left to really discuss over the topic at this point until I look further into things.

Riigghht !
So you have NOT actually looked into things yet?
So you don't actually KNOW the background facts yet?

So you didn't even know the facts before you preached your ignorant homophobic attacks for page after page !

Just like we said all along - you had no idea what you were talking about.


Iasion

 

[Iasion]

And, that BS would be what exactly?

The BS that YOU preached - that people could CHOOSE their orientation.

The BS that YOU admitted you haven't actually CHECKED !
That BS !


Iasion

 

[Alceste]

And, that BS would be what exactly?

That there are only two possibilities: homosexuality is either genetic or a conscious lifestyle choice - and that it matters one way or the other.

 

[DarkSun]

I agree. But as long as anti-gay bigotry is tolerated on RF, I might as well smack it down when I see it.

Apparently when a lot of people hold a certain view, it's tolerated.
Because that isn't an appeal the majority at all.

 

[The Wizard]

Gday,



Riigghht !
So you have NOT actually looked into things yet?
So you don't actually KNOW the background facts yet?

So you didn't even know the facts before you preached your ignorant homophobic attacks for page after page !

Just like we said all along - you had no idea what you were talking about.


Iasion

I'm well aware of what you're saying. But, that isn't my point in the first place. My point is that there are confused kids out there that have been duped by that jargon when they were just confused about things. Once they swallow that faith pill they are on there way to believing everything and then can no longer change after the homosexual orientation develops, especially if people keep shoving "no choice" scientific dictatorship jargon down their throats. That limited view also prevents certain people from changing their orientation, or even attempting and contemplating it any further dispite any other inclination.

There is nothing immoral about a person changing their orientation and choosing to develop those other inherent parts of themselves. They are not a liar either-unlike what someone here stated. They have the right to their own body, life, orientation and pursuit of happiness.

Many people most likely have the potential for all inherent orientations at first- genetically speaking. Many things develop afterwards, which will make a certain type of orientation the dominant orientation. People change this all the time and bring out the orientation they favor, so there's nothing to argue concerning this.. unless someone's faith in genetic orientation is somehow threatened by the word, choice.

Fast forward yourself 100-200 years in the future and by the exponential increases in advanced science (i.e. knowledge, development, treatments, technology, etc.) now taking place in all areas of the human being, all orientations are indeed going to become more and more of a choice for those that wish and demand it. This can be embraced and realized or it can represent a threat due to one's own "stagnant scientific faiths." Attacking me and calling me names is not going to help, sorry... :areyoucra

 

[DarkSun]

I'm well aware of what you're saying. But, that isn't my point in the first place. My point is that there are confused kids out there that have been duped by that jargon when they were just confused about things. Once they swallow that faith pill they are on there way to believing everything and then can no longer change after the homosexual orientation develops, especially if people keep shoving "no choice" scientific dictatorship jargon down their throats. That limited view also prevents certain people from changing thier orientation, or even attempting and contemplating it any further dispite their inclinations.

There is nothing immoral about a person changing there orientation and choosing to develop those other inherent parts of themselves. They are not a liar either-unlike what someone here stated. The have the right to their own body and pursuet of happiness.

Many people most likely have the potential for all inherent orientations at first- genetically speaking. Many things develop afterwards, which will make a certain type of orientation the dominant orientation. People change this all the time and bring out the orientation they favor, so there's nothing to argue concerning this.. unless someone's faith in genetic orientation is somehow threatened by the word, choice.

Fast forward yourself 100-200 years in the future and by the exponential increases in advanced science (i.e. knowledge) now taking place in all areas of the human being, all orientations are indeed going to become more of a choice for those that wish and demand. This can be embraced and realized or it can represent a threat due to one's "stagnant scientific faiths." Attacking me and calling me names is not going to help, sorry... :areyoucra

Who cares if an orientation is embraced? It hurts no one.

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

I'm well aware of what you're saying. But, that isn't my point in the first place. My point is that there are confused kids out there that have been duped by that jargon when they were just confused about things.

There is no jargon.
There is no confusion here.

Kids KNOW what their orientation is when they grow up - the only confusion is when people like you insist they have made the wrong "choice" - when there WAS no choice.

Sexual orientation is NOT a choice.
But it seems you will never understand that.

Once they swallow that faith pill they are on there way to believing everything and then can no longer change after the homosexual orientation develops,

Wrong again.
It's NOT a choice, they can NOT change.
There is NO faith in that.

especially if people keep shoving "no choice" scientific dictatorship jargon down their throats.

Wrong again.
This has NOTHING to do with "jargon" at all.
Where is the "jargon", Wizard?

Anyway -
Funny how homophobes always use that phrase
"shoved down their throats".

What is it about homosexuality that makes homophobes repeatedly use this phrase "shoved down their throats" ?

I wonder what exactly it is that Wizard fears being
"shoved down his throat"
when discussing his dislike of homosexuals ?

That limited view also prevents certain people from changing their orientation, or even attempting and contemplating it any further dispite any other inclination.

Wrong again.
It is NOT possible to change sexual orientation.
If only you could grasp that.

There is nothing immoral about a person changing their orientation and choosing to develop those other inherent parts of themselves.

Wrong again.
No-one said it was immoral.
It is NOT possible to change sexual orientation.
If only you could grasp that.

Many people most likely have the potential for all inherent orientations at first- genetically speaking. Many things develop afterwards, which will make a certain type of orientation the dominant orientation. People change this all the time and bring out the orientation they favor, so there's nothing to argue concerning this.. unless someone's faith in genetic orientation is somehow threatened by the word, choice.

It is NOT possible to choose to change sexual orientation.
If only you could grasp that.

Fast forward yourself 100-200 years in the future and by the exponential increases in advanced science (i.e. knowledge, development, treatments, technology, etc.) now taking place in all areas of the human being, all orientations are indeed going to become more and more of a choice for those that wish and demand it. This can be embraced and realized or it can represent a threat due to one's own "stagnant scientific faiths." Attacking me and calling me names is not going to help, sorry... :areyoucra

It is NOT possible to choose to change sexual orientation.
If only you could grasp that.


Iasion

 

[waitasec]

My point is that there are confused kids out there that have been duped by that jargon when they were just confused about things.

the reason there are confused kids out there is because people are biased bigots


simple...

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Wizard is not entirely incorrect and moreover I dont believe he has said anything bigoted.

Choices and learning create new neural pathways new connections in your brain...it is possible to reinforces one's sexual orientations by repeated behaviours...repeated experiences.

Choice does have a part to play in the dynamic of the evolution of an individual's sexual identity...and no time is more crucial as wizard has mentioned when the choice maker is young...the choices he/she makes then will have long term implications for their future identities.

Everyone has a capacity for the condition labelled 'homosexuality'...to greater and lesser extents...some never get the chance to express it, some do....its all natural and choice or no choice or bit of both I fail to see how it matters...

 

[waitasec]

Wizard is not entirely incorrect and moreover I dont believe he has said anything bigoted.

Choices and learning create new neural pathways new connections in your brain...it is possible to reinforces one's sexual orientations by repeated behaviours...repeated experiences.

Choice does have a part to play in the dynamic of the evolution of an individual's sexual identity...and no time is more crucial as wizard has mentioned when the choice maker is young...the choices he/she makes then will have long term implications for their future identities.

Everyone has a capacity for the condition labelled 'homosexuality'...to greater and lesser extents...some never get the chance to express it, some do....its all natural and choice or no choice or bit of both I fail to see how it matters...

let em figure it out for themselves...
the reason there is 'jargon' in the first pace is because of bigotry



simple.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

homosexuality is not natural it leads to exstinction becuase homo can not pro create they die out. natural selection does not support 'homosexuality' according to natural selection gays will die out. evolutionists have been stumped there is nothing natural about gays.

Yup, cause human relationships are all about procreation.

 

[Sunstone]

Yup, cause human relationships are all about procreation.

I tried to procreate with a rabbit once. It didn't work out, but my intentions were good. That is, I wanted to procreate. And isn't that all that matters?