Homosexuality & Religion

[Storm]

How profound. Provide one.

Unitarian Universalism.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

Unitarian Universalism.

Wrong. Not only does the religion have members with affiliation with other faiths(with claims of a supernatural universe) but also includes concepts such as...

• Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
• Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
• Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
• Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;

and
The religious pluralism of Unitarian Universalism respects diverse traditions within the movement and often within the same congregation. Many see it as a typical syncretic religion, in which personal beliefs and religious services draw from many faith traditions.

And as much as I'd love to keep proving you wrong again and again. The thread is called Homosexuality and Religion. Not Ways in Which Storm Wishes to Make Assumptions. So can we return to topic now.

 

[Storm]

Wrong. Not only does the religion have members with affiliation with other faiths(with claims of a supernatural universe) but also includes concepts such as...

• Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
• Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
• Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
• Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;

and
The religious pluralism of Unitarian Universalism respects diverse traditions within the movement and often within the same congregation. Many see it as a typical syncretic religion, in which personal beliefs and religious services draw from many faith traditions.

None of which posits a supernatural universe. Refusing to exclude an opinion is not the same as endorsing it.

Anything else you'd like to tell me about my religion?

 

[Storm]

And as much as I'd love to keep proving you wrong again and again. The thread is called Homosexuality and Religion. Not Ways in Which Smoke Wishes to Make Assumptions. So can we return to topic now.

1) You don't even know who you're talking to. I'm supposed to believe you know what you're talking about?

2) Reading what you post is not an assumption. If you can't say what you mean and mean what you say, that's your problem.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

None of which posits a supernatural universe. Refusing to exclude an opinion is not the same as endorsing it.

Anything else you'd like to tell me about my religion?

Then you lack an understanding what God(UU is derived from Christian sources), "spirit" and "spiritual" represent as concepts.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

1) You don't even know who you're talking to. I'm supposed to believe you know what you're talking about?

2) Reading what you post is not an assumption. If you can't say what you mean and mean what you say, that's your problem.

"All religions place supernatural consequences to human action and ritualism is heavily displayed in religion."=/=Christian are bible thumpers. You have an axe to grind and I'm not going to waste a thread because you want to whine. If you can't move back to the topic you're just going to have to be ignored.

 

[Storm]

Then you lack an understanding what God(UU is derived from Christian sources), "spirit" and "spiritual" represent as concepts.

Or, being an actual, practicing Unitarian Universalist, I have a better understanding than you do. Maybe?

Here's a hint: we're not agreed on any point of theology. Not a single one. Not even the existence of God. Ours is not a doctrinal faith.

Now, if you'd like to stick to theologies, rather than religions, you're STILL wrong. There are several which accept God and reject the supernatural, my own included.

 

[Pegg]

You ignored my point.

Did you choose to not be gay? Did you naturally like the opposite sex or did you make a choice?

your question works on the assumption that homosexuality is as natural as hetrosexuality.

I mentioned hermaphrodites for that very reason...they have a 'biological' reason for the difference in them just as hetrosexuals have a biological reason for being attracted to the opposite sex.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

your question works on the assumption that homosexuality is as natural as hetrosexuality.

I mentioned hermaphrodites for that very reason...they have a 'biological' reason for the difference in them just as hetrosexuals have a biological reason for being attracted to the opposite sex.

As common? No. As natural? yes.

 

[Storm]

your question works on the assumption that homosexuality is as natural as hetrosexuality.

Gee, maybe because it is?

Try listening to actual gay people, instead of the propaganda churned out by self-loathing closet cases.

I mentioned hermaphrodites for that very reason...they have a 'biological' reason for the difference in them just as hetrosexuals have a biological reason for being attracted to the opposite sex.

And what's the basis for your assumption that other sexual minorities don't?

 

[darkendless]

your question works on the assumption that homosexuality is as natural as hetrosexuality.

Give me a reason why its un-natural?

One of my more illogical beliefs is that homosexuality whilst a natural thing (seen in many animals other than us), is evolutions way of telling us we're raping this earth of everything. Homosexuality is somewhat a balancing action. Please note that this is just a thought of mine with no evidence to back it up. It also assumes homosexuals do not reproduce which is false.

I mentioned hermaphrodites for that very reason...they have a 'biological' reason for the difference in them just as hetrosexuals have a biological reason for being attracted to the opposite sex.

There is no heterosexual gene, there is no gay gene. They at least havn't found one yet. Homosexuals are perfectly normal people who just happen to be attracted to the same sex. Shock horror.

Your God would have us condemn them. When you go to heaven please tell your God that i'd rather burn in hell than give in to his astonishing hypocrisy. He really is a shining example of a sadist.

 

[Pegg]

Just as you all have a right to your views, so does God. Its been his view for a very long time and its not going to change.

I believe that his view is right for the fact that he created us in a certain way and he knows us best. I'm not going to make any apologies for that but I will apologize that my comments have sparked a riot and so for that reason i'll back out of this discussion and thank you all for your thoughts.

 

[Storm]

Just as you all have a right to your views, so does God. Its been his view for a very long time and its not going to change.

Ah, are we graced with the presence of yet another Prophet? :sarcastic

 

[Wotan]

"When you go to heaven please tell your God that i'd rather burn in hell than give in to his astonishing hypocrisy. He really is a shining example of a sadist."

And you can add my name as well. Happily married these 50 odd years to a very female female who - apparently - finds her status satisfactory. But both of us have had gay friends of BOTH sexes. One of MY long time friends was a lesbian. We both knew it neither cared. It was something that just didn't come up that much. She had brown eyes to. We didn't much care about THAT either.

 

[darkendless]

Just as you all have a right to your views, so does God. Its been his view for a very long time and its not going to change.

I believe that his view is right for the fact that he created us in a certain way and he knows us best. I'm not going to make any apologies for that but I will apologize that my comments have sparked a riot and so for that reason i'll back out of this discussion and thank you all for your thoughts.

Why do you refuse to question the hypocrisy of your own rules? Rules were made to be re-written and broken for the well-being of our society. If we are to continually make life hard for homosexuals by condemning their existance than we truelly are without morals, without conscience and without peace.

Your comments havn't sparked a riot. Although you may think you're being hit from all angles i find such debates most interesting. Christians need to speak their mind on here more often rather than giving in

 

[Duck]

what I, or anyone else, thinks about it is irrelevant...if what you want to know is what 'God' thinks about it, then the answer is simple

God opposes homosexuality because, among other things, it does not benefit the individual. This fact is expressed in the apostle Paul’s letter to Christians where he said:

“That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female..."



The bible does not speak about animals and their sexual behavior so its not possible to know for sure.
However, human 'immoral' sexual behavior is 'likened' to animal behavior and for that reason I would have to conclude that humans were expected to exhibit a standard of morals and ethics which animals were not.

As far as this gay man is concerned, the "natural use of the female" is to smack me in the back of the head and say "tone the drama down" or "you are NOT wearing that shirt out on a date with Freddy", so you are saying that these biblical guys were really dramatic (like the teen-angsty kind of drama, not Aeschylus type of drama) and dressed poorly when they went courting Tiberius?

And what exactly is "immoral" about dating someone of the same sex? Oh, that's right, a phrase or two issued by someone who also told his followers that they should remain celibate (or if they were too weak to do so then they should marry but only have sex when they could no longer remain chaste and only if they prayed and felt bad about doing so), and that women should sit down and shut up and that they should only ask questions of their husbands, and shouldn't presume to instruct men.

Presumably, had christians followed PAUL's instructions (noting of course that Paul was NOT one of the original 12 disciples but instead a later convert it being questionable whether he even met Jesus) the only way that the religion would exist was through conversion as christians would not have children, following Paul's instruction to remain celibate. Interesting that christians gloss over that part of Paul's letters and instead trot out the parts about "leaving the natural use" and the laundry list of folks that won't get into heaven at every opportunity; similar to the way that tired crap from Leviticus gets trotted out every time a gay couple is seen holding hands while the other parts of Leviticus are ignored like segregating menstruating women from the general population or not eating pork or lobster because they are quite obviously outrageously arbitrary superstitious taboos brought about by a lack of modern knowledge.

 

[Pegg]

Why do you refuse to question the hypocrisy of your own rules? Rules were made to be re-written and broken for the well-being of our society.

if the bible were a book by man, then yes i'd likely agree with you. Our rules are certainly being rewritten all the time, but the bible has not changed. The word of God remains the same.

If we are to continually make life hard for homosexuals by condemning their existance than we truelly are without morals, without conscience and without peace.

its not christendoms role to condemn anyone...the only role assigned to them is to teach the word of God...to teach christians Gods standards and allow christians to live them.

Any church who actively goes about trying to make life hard for homosexuals needs to take a good long look at themselves because that is not their role. Its a good thing that only God judges us because he knows exactly why we do what we do and he will judge us accordingly in true righteousness.

Your comments havn't sparked a riot. Although you may think you're being hit from all angles i find such debates most interesting. Christians need to speak their mind on here more often rather than giving in

i can understand why people get riled up, no one likes hearing a view that disagrees with them... but we all hold different views so there are always going to be disagreements. I just dont like to see it get out of hand...especially if it was my comment that started it off :sad:

 

[Storm]

if the bible were a book by man, then yes i'd likely agree with you.

The Bible IS a book by man. "Inspired" does not mean "dictated."

 

[darkendless]

if the bible were a book by man, then yes i'd likely agree with you. Our rules are certainly being rewritten all the time, but the bible has not changed. The word of God remains the same.

The bible was written by men. Can you not see the Misogynous insertions everywhere.

What kind of God would reveal a book condoning slavery, the slow draw out torture and denial of freedom of other men?

You can seriously say the all powerful and moral God would accept such a standard?

its not christendoms role to condemn anyone...the only role assigned to them is to teach the word of God...to teach christians Gods standards and allow christians to live them.

But they do. The bible condemns homosexuality so Christians condemn homosexuals. What kind of omnipotent god would create such an unjust way of life?

Any church who actively goes about trying to make life hard for homosexuals needs to take a good long look at themselves because that is not their role. Its a good thing that only God judges us because he knows exactly why we do what we do and he will judge us accordingly in true righteousness.

Every church does by teaching against homosexuality. As a result, followers will naturally despise homosexuals for being against God.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

Attributing the bible to supernatural origins in no one absolves people of the negative and tragic consequences of promoting discrimination against homosexuality that has resulted.