Homosexuality "Sick?"

[Green Gaia]

So if I'm gay and non-theist, am I doubly abnormal? Do I get some sort of a discount for that?

 

[cristheseeker]

cristheseeker, why are you so eager to label other people as abnormal? What about yourself?

im abnormal in many ways as well.

you view the word "abnormal" as something bad. i dont. it can go either way.

if you are gay and proud of it, fine, but you are still abnormal in the reality you live in though.

 

[McBell]

look, i think my point is not understood because you are looking too hard into it, getting lost in all the details.

OF course.
I mean, it just isn't possible that you are just plain flat out wrong, right?

my point is a general one, not specific, applying to anything and everything. it applies to general concepts and ideas.

To speak that generally, anything you have to say would in fact be worthless.

since this is a religious talk forum. lets take religion as an example.

Diversion tactic.
Do you think it will work?

non-theism is unnatural. why? because a vast majority of humanity is theistic in one way or another.
now i can be a wise guy, list all religions separately and say that, "aha, so going by this logic, all these religions ive listed are considered unnatural."

Appeal to numbers/popularity never impresses me.

but that misses the point all together, because all the religions i have listed separately, in a silly attempt to prove they, just like non-theism are minorities, are actually part of the majority group of humanity (believers/theists), where as the initial non-theistic minority isnt part of anything, but itself.

so you have to look at the big picture and not get lost in details.

You seem lost regardless.
Especially when it comes to logic, science, religion, and just being right.

 

[Green Gaia]

im abnormal in many ways as well.

you view the word "abnormal" as something bad. i dont. it can go either way.

if you are gay and proud of it, fine, but you are still abnormal in the reality you live in though.

No, my reality is quite normal, thanks. I'm so boring it would make you cry.

 

[DallasApple]

something unnatural/abnormal is neither bad nor good. im not saying homosexuals are better or worse than heterosexuals, im just saying they are abnormal/unnatural human beings simply because of statistics(concepts people agree/disagree on)

if a majority of people were born homosexual, then heterosexual human beings would be considered unnatural/abnormal.

if a majority of us were dwarfs, then that would be considered natural/normal.

but that is just not the reality we live in.

take any word for example. the primary definition of that word is one that a majority of people agree with. now that definition might be accurate, it might be inaccurate, but it is accepted as "truth" or "accurate" in the society/reality in which it was defined.


so the title of this thread is "Homosexuality "Sick?" my answer was, maybe yes, maybe no, but one thing is for sure, it is unnatural/abnormal in the reality we live in.

Did you ever consider that you..and your brain are "abnormal"??

Your post sounds like the cat in the hat....

Except for at the end..it still doenst make sense..

Sorry..

Love

Dallas

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

again, you are looking at the tiny details. look at the big picture.

yes, all humans are individually different (with dna, fingerprints etc.) but in the end they all follow the same general descriptions. the same general measurements and so on.

the genearl normality of humans is defined by an average majority. so if your physical description or measurements fall within a certain range, you are considered "normal" if you are half as tall as the average human your age, then you are considered abnormal, if you are 5'6" tall and weigh 379 lbs you are abnormal. if your intelligence falls way below a certain limit, you are abnormal.
if you are born with 3 legs and 1 arm, you are abnormal. if you have a 6lbs brain, you are abnormal.

Ah, so a man who is 5'10" and weighs 180 lbs is normal.

Would that make a 5'10", 180-lb gay man normal as well?

you view the word "abnormal" as something bad. i dont. it can go either way.

So, again, this seems to me that you're declaring your entire line of argument so far to be irrelevant as to whether homosexuality is a "sickness".

 

[cristheseeker]

Ah, so a man who is 5'10" and weighs 180 lbs is normal.

Would that make a 5'10", 180-lb gay man normal as well?".

if 180lbs for a 5'10" human male would fall within the range of weight considered(by humanity) as normal, then yes, both the gay, and the straight man would be considered normal in this regard. when it comes to the issue of homosexuality though, the gay man would be considered abnormal.

so you can try, but will never succed at mixing two issues in an attempt to create blurryness or indecision.

and you can ask me questions like these all day long, the answers would still be clear as day

So, again, this seems to me that you're declaring your entire line of argument so far to be irrelevant as to whether homosexuality is a "sickness".

i never agrued that homosexuality is sickness or a disease, i only argued that it is an abnormality.

 

[Father Heathen]

I wince when I see people eating liver (seriously, it's a far more extreme gut reaction than being exposed to two guys kissing), but I don't consider it a moral issue so much as it is a matter of personal taste.

Exactly, but unfortunately it appears that some people don't have enough wit to differentiate the two.

 

[cristheseeker]

this thread is a great example actually. it looks like no one so far agrees with my logic and reasoning, and so i(my way of thinking) would be considered abnormal, since it does not fall within the reasoning of most anyone here. now just like homosexuality, it still doesnt mean my logic is actually wrong or right, but because most of the people in this thread perceive it to be wrong, it is wrong in the reality i live in (this thread).

so wether something is wrong or right is up to the interpretation of the majority. seeing as how homosexuality almost always has a bad connotation/meaning in current society. yes, it is wrong. but only in the reality homosexuals live in. if they go to a gay club, it might be considered right, and yet still it is wrong because the gay club is located within the civilization that considers it to be wrong..

yousee

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

if 180lbs for a 5'10" human male would fall within the range of weight considered(by humanity) as normal, then yes, both the gay, and the straight man would be considered normal in this regard. when it comes to the issue of homosexuality though, the gay man would be considered abnormal.

No, no, no. You're not looking at the big picture. As you rightly pointed out earlier, all the different types of theism aren't "abnormal" because they're all systems of belief. In the same way, neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality are "abnormal" because they're both types of sexual attraction.

Flawless logic... right? :sarcastic

i never agrued that homosexuality is sickness or a disease, i only argued that it is an abnormality.

Ah... I could've sworn it was you that wrote the part I've put in bold:

so the title of this thread is "Homosexuality "Sick?" my answer was, maybe yes, maybe no, but one thing is for sure, it is unnatural/abnormal in the reality we live in.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

im abnormal in many ways as well.

Personally, I think the words normal and abnormal are useless as their meaning is subjective.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

this thread is a great example actually. it looks like no one so far agrees with my logic and reasoning, and so i(my way of thinking) would be considered abnormal, since it does not fall within the reasoning of most anyone here.

No, you're normal enough (I assume. Actually, I don't really have enough information to say for sure)... we just disagree with you.

pnow just like homosexuality, it still doesnt mean my logic is actually wrong or right, but because most of the people in this thread perceive it to be wrong, it is wrong in the reality i live in (this thread).

so wether something is wrong or right is up to the interpretation of the majority.

Now you're getting into moral relativism, which is a whole separate issue.

seeing as how homosexuality almost always has a bad connotation/meaning in current society. yes, it is wrong. but only in the reality homosexuals live in. if they go to a gay club, it might be considered right, and yet still it is wrong because the gay club is located within the civilization that considers it to be wrong..

Hmm. Homosexuality isn't wrong in the reality I live in, and I've never so much as set foot in a gay club.

 

[no_spoon]

Cristheseeker, let me try one more time. When you say:

i never agrued that homosexuality is sickness or a disease, i only argued that it is an abnormality.

you have missed the title of this thread which is:

Homosexuality "Sick?"

It is possible to be correct and yet not relevant to the discussion at hand.

I don't hold it against you, it's hard to keep up with forum threads because of the disjoint nature of the dialog and multiple people involved. I just wanted to steer the conversation back on topic.

 

[invisible chzbrgr]

look, i think my point is not understood because you are looking too hard into it, getting lost in all the details.

Hey Cris

I think it's great you are here at this forum.

The reason I say this, is because over time you will learn better how to express what you think about something without derails of topic.

Nobody here is going to let you get away with declaring crazy stuff without backing it up! And this is a good thing. It'll help you to look at your own views critically to see whether they actually make sense. Then forever after, you will be able to avoid misunderstandings, and perhaps keep your mind open to others' ideas while declaring your own.

(^^This is one of the reasons I participate in these kinds of fora!)

Just take a look at your first post, and your last, and see the difference. You've been forced to clarify, and see if it hasn't actually changed you a little bit. Only think about it.

 

[Buttons*]

If that were really true, wouldn't straight men consider straight women to be "sick", and vice versa?

No, that doesn't make sense

Personally, I'm not attracted to men and I don't understand the appeal of golf... but that doesn't mean I think homosexual guys or golfers are "sick".

Watching two men kiss and watching someone swing a bat are two different things. Also, I don't THINK they're sick, I happen to have a gut reaction when I see it, but that reaction doesn't make me feel any differently about who those people are or what rights they should have. It's actually been shown that it's a natural feeling to have. (Asked my professors about it today.) They have studies that black men even get a gut flinch at the sight of other black men... does that mean they're racist? Or that they think that black men are awful?

Biologically, a fourteen-year-old is "built for" parenthood.

Wow... good point... only it has nothing to do with anything

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, that doesn't make sense

It doesn't? I thought it used the same logic you did.

Watching two men kiss and watching someone swing a bat are two different things. Also, I don't THINK they're sick, I happen to have a gut reaction when I see it, but that reaction doesn't make me feel any differently about who those people are or what rights they should have.

Fair enough.

Just thinking, though: I don't get a gut reaction when I see two guys kiss, but I do when I hear Rafael Nadal make weird noises while playing tennis. There's something about his grunt that I find very disturbing.

It's actually been shown that it's a natural feeling to have. (Asked my professors about it today.) They have studies that black men even get a gut flinch at the sight of other black men... does that mean they're racist? Or that they think that black men are awful?

No... but "natural" doesn't necessarily imply "necessary".

Wow... good point... only it has nothing to do with anything

Sure it does: what we're "built for" doesn't dictate our social conventions.

 

[J Bryson]

Watching two men kiss and watching someone swing a bat are two different things.

Not really. They both have to do with which way you swing, and which team you're batting for.

 

[Storm]

i never agrued that homosexuality is sickness or a disease, i only argued that it is an abnormality.

To what purpose? You're either backpedaling or irrelevant, which is it?

 

[Sunstone]

...I've never so much as set foot in a gay club.

You should! Some years ago, I worked as a cocktail waiter in a gay club here in town. Best bar crowd ever!!! Customers would hop up to open the door for you. No one ever started a fight. People were more likely to be polite than any other public I've ever worked with. Of course, they were all sick homosexuals, you know. Sick, sick, sick! None of them wanted to make a belligerent *** of themselves! Where's the emotional maturity in that?

 

[J Bryson]

Really? Outside the Hillcrest gay clubs, people could be total jerks. Drama, fighting, the same stuff that you see at the straight clubs, only with more head-swiveling.