Homosexuality

[monta]

also as a side not would you consider calling someone a "***** ***" hate speach? I am not aiming this at anyone or say it is my view, but if such language would be considered hate speach I see no reason why what has been said on this thread is.

I have no idea what 3 letter expletive comes after ***** , all I can think of is another word for a donkey. I wouldn't have a problem with it myself, but the forum frowns on profanity, even with the filter.

 

[Kerr]

your right man its gone hugely off topic, i think ill quite im not getting anywhere with monta she just spouting the same stuff over and over, please feel free to get this back on topic

What use are any attempts of mine to get back to topic if you continue off-topic ? Or I misunderstood your post... in that case, sorry.

 

[tarasan]

All you have to do is show me how those quotes fall into the legal definition of hate speech, how they



And not Or

I assume that calling them narrow minded, bigoted, and the like in the western culture automatically is ment to inspire hatred against them, I mean white totted bigot? I think they play on generalisations to get people to think of all people who dont want gay marrage as fred phelps, which is not the case.

my evidence would be the generalisation and sterotypical statements that they make which in this culture inspires hatred, because of they people that we associate with those said generalisation, stereotypes.

 

[joea]

What use are any attempts of mine to get back to topic if you continue off-topic ? Or I misunderstood your post... in that case, sorry.

No..that's all good, we are all engaged in battles from time to time...we don't pretend to know everything. We are all students and teachers here..

 

[soleil10]

The only thing that's abhorrent and perverse is the irrational bigotry that you try to justify with unsubstantiated superstition.

Hate speech alert !!! :help:

 

[MSizer]

my view is I cannot stop them getting married in a secular setting, so long as it is outside of the church and they dont force us to say its ok, they can do what they want its a free country, at least mine is....

So it's ok to deny other people access to god's formal building of worship?

 

[MSizer]

Hate speech alert !!! :help:

This is hilarious! soleil10 expects us to respect his bigotry, and as soon as we oppose it, he cries hate. There's a whole new degree of incredible when irony and cowardice go hand in hand. I guess I'll be reported for this. Oh well.

 

[Azakel]

Hate speech alert !!! :help:

There is no hate speech there.
You add nothing with one liners. How is noting that someone is a bigot hate speech?

 

[Father Heathen]

Hate speech alert !!! :help:

I don't harbor hatred for you and your ilk, only pity.

 

[soleil10]

This is hilarious! soleil10 expects us to respect his bigotry, and as soon as we oppose it, he cries hate. There's a whole new degree of incredible when irony and cowardice go hand in hand. I guess I'll be reported for this. Oh well.

More hate speech !!!:slap:

 

[Jeremiah]

Hate speech alert !!! :help:

Hate speech alert!!! :help:

 

[Jeremiah]

Yosef, your post is very cleverly written :rainbow1:
Let me give you my take on this.
A lot of people know intuitively that when you redefine the basic institution of marriage, it will redefine the whole society because the union of a man and woman has the potential to procreate children which are the fruit of their love. Marriage connects it all together in the basic unit, we call a family. Many people add a spiritual dimension to it. As Obama said, they bring God into the mix. Many other people see it as a secular institution. Marriage is such a unique union that brings forth the net generation.
It protect the most important human right for a child, which is to have be raised by a father and a mother
I think that you will agree with me that redesigning such fundamental intitution will redesign our society.
Now, we know that there are different types of household, broken families with single parents, single people unmarried, etc..etc. where people legally depend form each others. For these types of household, there are legal arangements like domestic partners and in some states civil unions.

Some people are not happy with that and want to move to a new society beyond marriage for different reasons. Same sex marriage is only one step in that direction.
The legal arguments used to achieve ss "marriage" like: It is about love. It is about long term commitment. It is about equality, It is about being inclusive. It is a civil/human right. It does not change your marriage. Marriage has been redefined before. All these arguments if approved by the courts can be used and will be used to redefine marriage again. It is a trojan horse. Any logical mind can see it.
Already people well connected to our present administration are making that argument to include multiple conjugal partners.

The cat is out of the bag. If you redefine marriage, you are redefining much more. That is what people are afraid and many do not know how to express it.

After 40 years of the free sex culture, our society including marriage is falling apart. At every step, we were supposed to improve and be more liberated. It has not worked that way. For exemple the no fault divorce laws did not help but made it worse. There have been over 40 millions divorces since and 45 millions kids with a broken heart. We created a bigger problem that we solved.

My 2 cents, Soleil10




Why do I say

"I think that you will agree with me that redesigning such fundamental intitution will redesign our society."

It is estimated that 3-5% of population is homosexuals in the US, many of which of who do not want marriage. Not exactly redesigning society.

Besides making marriage law in the first place was "redesigning our society". Some of you, seem to forgot that this is America: tolerance, equality and liberty is the design that our society is meant to achieve. So, it is not us who is trying to redesign society, it is you; we are only trying to realize the American Dream.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I certainly don't want to be married, but I support my fellow gays who do. I'm too free spirited to be married. I just wonder why it's forcing for gay people to be open about our love in public, but not for straight people? Why do people act like we're supposed to be ashamed of our love for each other? People keep telling me to try to change my sexuality. Why should I have to? I'm not ashamed of who I am

 

[Jeremiah]

There is no hate speech there.
You add nothing with one liners. How is noting that someone is a bigot hate speech?

"How is noting that someone is a bigot hate speech?"

Because they hate to hear the truth about themselves.

 

[MSizer]

I certainly don't want to be married, but I support my fellow gays who do. I'm too free spirited to be married.

I don't know exactly what you mean by free spirited, but I think a good marriage would not prevent your free spirit. Certainly many marriages would not be conducive to your version of free spirit, but I don't think marriage itself has to be that way. I don't think mine is.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I don't know exactly what you mean by free spirited, but I think a good marriage would not prevent your free spirit. Certainly many marriages would not be conducive to your version of free spirit, but I don't think marriage itself has to be that way. I don't think mine is.

Meaning I don't want to commit myself to any one person or live with them. I'm a loner and I prefer to be to myself. When you're married you have to live your life for your partner, but when you're single you can live it for you.

 

[Azakel]

More hate speech !!!:ko:

Calling someone a bigot isn't Hate speech, I'm sorry but it's not.
Do you even know what a Bigot is?
Oh, plus I was asking a question. I highly doubt it hate speech. Please reread what I type instead of calling hate speech when every you see something the hurts your little feelings.

 

[turk179]

soleil10 is a troll. It is best if you do not feed the troll:troll:! For this purpose a good ole fashioned ignore is in order. Now if someone would be so kind as to teach me how to do this......before he does another hate speech alert.

 

[soleil10]

soleil10 is a troll. It is best if you do not feed the troll:troll:! For this purpose a good ole fashioned ignore is in order. Now if someone would be so kind as to teach me how to do this......before he does another hate speech alert.

Hate speech alert !!!:foot:

 

[soleil10]

Calling someone a bigot isn't Hate speech, I'm sorry but it's not.
Do you even know what a Bigot is?
Oh, plus I was asking a question. I highly doubt it hate speech. Please reread what I type instead of calling hate speech when every you see something the hurts your little feelings.

Hurt speech alert !!!