muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
People spread all kinds of things .. I can think of worse things to spread.
..and it depends what you mean by spread .. do you mean force people to
believe something at gunpoint?
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How about we defund UNRWA ?
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..and it depends what you mean by spread .. do you mean force people to
believe something at gunpoint?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Sorry, sounds like a bunch of bad guys joined ramks.
Egypt once had an attitude toward the Israelis that manifest in violent attacks followed by swift retribution. They apparently learned that it was in their best interest to lay down arms, and there has been no further violence between the two nations since. I'm sure that it's a begrudging peace on Egypt's part- they still don't respect or like the Israelis - but they made a sensible choice.
Hamas hadn't learned that lesson and made a pointless attack against Israel that did nothing but show how angry they are, kill many Israelis, and take many more hostage - moves that couldn't possibly benefit them, but they chose to do them anyway, and the response was predictable.
I don't know who has committed what atrocities against the other, or what gripes either the Palestinians or Israelis have that can be called legitimate, but I do know that if you attack a stronger foe, it probably won't work out well for you. Hamas has unleashed great destruction on its people for a pointless gesture, and now, the Palestinian people must pay the price however unfair one considers that. If they can't learn the lesson that the Egyptians apparently learned, then they must endure the consequences for that.
It's not about taking sides. I don't have a dog in that hunt. I support neither country. Nor am I an enemy of either. I'm just telling you what I see. Until the Arabs learn to accept Israel's presence in their midst, they should expect Israeli retaliation. It's an obvious fact of life.
Hamas hadn't learned that lesson and made a pointless attack against Israel that did nothing but show how angry they are, kill many Israelis, and take many more hostage - moves that couldn't possibly benefit them, but they chose to do them anyway, and the response was predictable.
I don't know who has committed what atrocities against the other, or what gripes either the Palestinians or Israelis have that can be called legitimate, but I do know that if you attack a stronger foe, it probably won't work out well for you. Hamas has unleashed great destruction on its people for a pointless gesture, and now, the Palestinian people must pay the price however unfair one considers that. If they can't learn the lesson that the Egyptians apparently learned, then they must endure the consequences for that.
It's not about taking sides. I don't have a dog in that hunt. I support neither country. Nor am I an enemy of either. I'm just telling you what I see. Until the Arabs learn to accept Israel's presence in their midst, they should expect Israeli retaliation. It's an obvious fact of life.
Principal responsible is Israel yes.
Because Israel which sieged, Gaza since 15 years, don't release hundreds of Palestinians hostages.
Israel took habit to release Palestinians hostages by kidnap.
Besides occupation of West Bank, is not anyone under occupation had right to defend his land by commun sense ?
Believe in superior of Jews over Muslims, blind the minds of pro Israel, about the reality that Israel is criminal racist regime, which dangerous to all human beings, not just Arabs/Muslims.
Again why put blame on Islamists extremists, but don't put blame on regime extremists zionists?
Why you afraid from spread Islam?
Islam idon't teach "superior in human", or allows killing kids and women of enemy.
You should afraid from Israel more 100 times than Muslims.
He said, 6 billions idol worshiper should die, including christians.
The real islamic extremists" ISiS, Alnusrah, Alqaeda,... Etc " didn't fight against Israel.
They created to fight muslims only.
Hamas is totally different, it's fighting Israel regime occupation and oppression.
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muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
That's almost amusing .. so BRICS is "a bunch of bad guys", never mind the fact that they
represent half of world population.
It's this arrogant attitude that is destroying western credibility.
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou
Active Member
That’s a incorrect comparison Hamas and Egypt’. Egypt is a sovereign country and Hamas is a resistance group against it occupier, that’s a big difference.
And for some context the terms of this deal is laughable. Egypt receives yearly money from the US, they got Sinai back from Israel and the so called Palestinian term they disagree upon now because Egypt asked for their self determination for Palestinian but Israel interpreted the terms differently then the Egyptians so this terms can be thrown in the garbage. So this deal is beneficial for Israel but not for the Palestinian cause.
So you are saying the Palestinians should bow down to its master or should accept the consequences we are seeing now on our screens, almost 45000 death and still more in the rubble?
But since you have not chosen a ‘side’, last time I checked the PA in the West Bank made more then once efforts to bow down to its master but still they are under occupation, apartheid and ethnic cleansing still is happening. So it seems like Israel strategy by supporting Hamas the last couple decades shows they have a different agenda then you think. They want peace by making sure nobody fights them and continuing the occupation and apartheid. Sorry people won’t accept that neither should you.
the obvious fact of life is when you oppress people they will fight back. No matter how strong the oppressor is because they have nothing to loose because their situation is as bad as it gets.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
As long as US / Israeli alliance continues its atrocities, you can expect the billions of Muslims
around the world to seek a way against them.
You may dismiss the UN and world opinion at your peril.
Peace to all,
How about we defund UNRWA ?
To me the Promisedland has been fulfilled and is Our own Body in the Christ, the mind of God and the intelligence of Creation, fulfilled, becoming in the from created becoming immortal and incorruptible flesh of all mankind, the New Living Sacrifice, in the Bodies of all mankind, in The New Temple united in all mankind becoming again, glorified and transfigured as one in being in the One God.
To me what is chosen is the sacrifice that transforms and transfigures and those picked to carry today are the united in being in the One God of Jacob and Isaac and Ishmael and is the same God of all different names of the same One Spirit becoming in the Name of the One God.
To me, The Promisedland belongs to the original owners, morally, faithfully, lawfully? , from Heaven, for all to become. We open the doors to fulfilled morality, shared for all.
God always said, "I will choose the Living Sacrifice." And God told Adam and Eve to not use a manmade solution to a Heavenly Problem by using Fig Leaves. And we are picked to carry the chosen sacrifice and we carry it with reverence and not on the back of an Ox Cart. We know to Use the Living Sacrifice for atonement, and the fulfilled Living Sacrifice resurrects life eternal, from the One spirit through the One flesh for the souls of all mankind through The Host by contact of any and or all of the senses.
"Some call the was a "holy" war and some call it another type of war, a rights war? what kind of war is it?" Andrew Stephen
"I agree that all sides should disarm. None of them can be trusted with weapons." John 53
The war is to some by law, to others by faith and morality, He came to fulfill the law and faith and morality. uniting law and faith and morality, what no one person on earth can even understand what Muhammad reminds us of The One God, from me this is what I see as a Catholic. Why me?
Can we stop the war, please.
Peace always,
Stephen
How about we defund UNRWA ?
To me the Promisedland has been fulfilled and is Our own Body in the Christ, the mind of God and the intelligence of Creation, fulfilled, becoming in the from created becoming immortal and incorruptible flesh of all mankind, the New Living Sacrifice, in the Bodies of all mankind, in The New Temple united in all mankind becoming again, glorified and transfigured as one in being in the One God.
To me what is chosen is the sacrifice that transforms and transfigures and those picked to carry today are the united in being in the One God of Jacob and Isaac and Ishmael and is the same God of all different names of the same One Spirit becoming in the Name of the One God.
To me, The Promisedland belongs to the original owners, morally, faithfully, lawfully? , from Heaven, for all to become. We open the doors to fulfilled morality, shared for all.
God always said, "I will choose the Living Sacrifice." And God told Adam and Eve to not use a manmade solution to a Heavenly Problem by using Fig Leaves. And we are picked to carry the chosen sacrifice and we carry it with reverence and not on the back of an Ox Cart. We know to Use the Living Sacrifice for atonement, and the fulfilled Living Sacrifice resurrects life eternal, from the One spirit through the One flesh for the souls of all mankind through The Host by contact of any and or all of the senses.
"Some call the was a "holy" war and some call it another type of war, a rights war? what kind of war is it?" Andrew Stephen
"I agree that all sides should disarm. None of them can be trusted with weapons." John 53
The war is to some by law, to others by faith and morality, He came to fulfill the law and faith and morality. uniting law and faith and morality, what no one person on earth can even understand what Muhammad reminds us of The One God, from me this is what I see as a Catholic. Why me?
Can we stop the war, please.
Peace always,
Stephen
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The mythology of promise land is evil, which allows to racist criminal regime to steal Palestinians land,and slaughter Palestinians and Lebanones.
I am Muslim, i stopped believe that Messiah pbuh will come, or anti chirst.
All fiction stories.Inserted
Because it's no need, then messages already delivered.
Peace to all,
Mohammed is correct when he reminds us of the one God.
It is in the fulfilled, living sacrifice from animals to Christ that transforms flesh into immortality.
We become from cousins to brothers through the one son and the one Father and God and the one mother.
Peace always,
Stephen
Mohammed is correct when he reminds us of the one God.
It is in the fulfilled, living sacrifice from animals to Christ that transforms flesh into immortality.
We become from cousins to brothers through the one son and the one Father and God and the one mother.
Peace always,
Stephen
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Peace be upon you.
What's religion you are following?
Peace to all
Thanks for the question, Godobeyer and God bless.
The Kingdom of the Divine Will in Words that became flesh manifesting what would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled, faith, and morality
Catholic.
Peace always,
Stephen
Catholic Mystic
Thanks for the question, Godobeyer and God bless.
The Kingdom of the Divine Will in Words that became flesh manifesting what would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled, faith, and morality
Catholic.
Peace always,
Stephen
Catholic Mystic
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Their differences aren't relevant to the issue of what works for them and what doesn't. Egypt stopped attacking and eventually, there was an end to Israeli retaliations following those attacks. Hamas attacked recently and met with sever retaliation. One can learn from that or not.
It's not a matter of should but of must. It can choose, but those are its only choices.
I understand that this is an outrage to you and that you likely share Hamas' attitude toward Israel, and I agree that the Israeli retaliation is a tragic occurrence that the world would be better off without.
But as long as they react emotionally rather than strategically, they can expect more of the same. If the Palestinians and their other Arab neighbors want to fight, fight they will, but as things stand, they cannot prevail. I'll leave it them to decide what future they prefer - a less violent captivity or a more violent one.
The American Indians were faced with a similar dilemma when the encountered the Europeans. At first they fought, and their fight was a righteous and justified one. But somewhere along the line, they decided that they preferred a less violent captivity of sorts on reservations to violent death. It's still a moral issue for them - they were wronged. And they're still angry. My wife and I were almost killed once driving through their lands by another vehicle deliberately coming at us head-on (we were in a sports car, so obviously not part of the tribe).
Their lives are still degraded and they are still unhappy, but they seem to have decided that not attacking was better for them than attacking.
As I said, I'm not making a moral judgment in the Middle Eastern conflict regarding who is in the wrong. I could call the Israelis completely at fault, and for all I know, maybe they are. I'm pointing out that until the Arabs either become as or more powerful that the Israelis or accept their military disadvantage and stand down, they should expect continued violence and death.
If you disagree with that, please explain why.
What you're saying is that those Muslims will continue to attack whatever the result - even if that makes their lives worse. You may be right.
I notice you said Muslims and not Arabs. A different point is that it appears that the Iranians, who are not Arabs and who have a two-country buffer separating them from Israel, are provocateurs using Arabs to attack neighboring Israel for whatever their reasons might be. My understanding is that they fund and train Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthi:
"The Houthis have declared themselves part of the so-called 'Axis of Resistance', led by the Islamic Republic of Iran. This alliance - which also includes other Tehran-backed organizations such as Hamas, Hezbollah and pro-Iranian militias in Syria and Iraq - is a staunch enemy of Israel, the US and the West in general."
It seems like the Arabs might be being manipulated from afar to do Iran's bidding (Persians are not Arabs nor are they living close to Israel or directly affected by it) but take the punishment of retaliation alone.
It's also interesting that the Iranians hate the Israelis enough to keep having proxies do their dirty work for them. Why? Indonesians are predominantly Muslims, but don't seem to feel the need to defend the Arabs. Why is Iran different?
Those opinions are not a part of my analysis because unless they translate to military support for the Arabs, they're irrelevant. If Arabs attack and the Israelis deliver a severe retaliation that the UN doesn't attempt to help resist militarily, they should expect more death and misery. I'll accept their decision because I must. They'll do what they want.
I have not said that I hold Israel blameless.
I think theocracy is a horrible idea. I don't care which "religion" we're talking about. A Christian theocracy would be horrible and an Islamic theocracy would be horrible.
In addition, I think Islam is horrible when it comes to human rights.
It seems as though "sometimes" you like the UN and "sometimes" you don't? Did you agree with the UN in 1947 when they created Israel and a two-state solution?
Peace to all,
To me, rationally What Jesus came to unite in One God, One Father and through One Son, faithfully and morally, the UN has divided politically into two, exactly what Jesus did not come to do and the UN undid it politically, exactly and perfected for them and fixed what was and always has been derived from the intelligence from creation and made it better?
In 2018 we move the Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, slap the Word of Islam in the face religiously, and Israel saying it's a "Holy War" and we back Israel only Politically? The US can longer go to the peace tables to settle between Islam and Israel, logically. What happened in 2020? We know we are not to judge others, morally, and know only that we judge ourselves.
To me the Promised Land is shared through the New Eve, our own bodies incorruptible in spirit and immortal through the flesh becoming New Temples becoming transformed by the Power of the One Spirit becoming again, glorified and transfigured through the One Son into the image of the Creator and One God for The One Father in the Love of The One Mother.
Rationally, logically, faithfully?
To me rationally and Religiously, the UN divides the mind of God united into two separate beings.
Peace always,
Stephen
To me, rationally What Jesus came to unite in One God, One Father and through One Son, faithfully and morally, the UN has divided politically into two, exactly what Jesus did not come to do and the UN undid it politically, exactly and perfected for them and fixed what was and always has been derived from the intelligence from creation and made it better?
In 2018 we move the Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, slap the Word of Islam in the face religiously, and Israel saying it's a "Holy War" and we back Israel only Politically? The US can longer go to the peace tables to settle between Islam and Israel, logically. What happened in 2020? We know we are not to judge others, morally, and know only that we judge ourselves.
To me the Promised Land is shared through the New Eve, our own bodies incorruptible in spirit and immortal through the flesh becoming New Temples becoming transformed by the Power of the One Spirit becoming again, glorified and transfigured through the One Son into the image of the Creator and One God for The One Father in the Love of The One Mother.
Rationally, logically, faithfully?
To me rationally and Religiously, the UN divides the mind of God united into two separate beings.
Peace always,
Stephen
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Please don't give lessons about human rights.
Gaza shows hypocrisy the West about human rights.
Do agreed that Israel guilty in which point ?
In occupation or racist regime or seiged Gaza or starvation 2 million civilians