How Africa is being exploited by banking élites. How US Democrats are on the wrong side.

[Stevicus]

The problem analyzed by the Italian PM is due to the "phony and fake aid" from France that is actually meant to bribe the local governments, so the raw materials are used to print that colonial money the PM was talking about: CFA Franc, which now has changed name in order to dupe the Africans. But it's the same fraudulent system.
It's legalized heist. Legalized usury and the funny thing is that only few banking élites will benefit from that wealth.
The French people will be left with nothing.
So the cheated ones are both the French people and the Africans.

There's an interesting movie called "The Dogs of War" which is a fictional story about a fictional African country and a mercenary who is hired to overthrow their government. He's hired by a British guy who claimed to represent some kind of "mining consortium," which was presented as kind of shady and vague in the movie. They were going to install a puppet ruler who was willing to do business with them (which the current ruler was unwilling to do).

The Pahlavi live in the US, now. I mean, the heirs of the shah.
I think that they dream of restoring democracy, but they should also understand that Iranians need social equality, social justice and first world standard of living.

Democracy is meaningless without a robust electorate to support it and a system of checks and balances to ensure human rights and curtail the abuses of government.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

The article does not deal with many topics. It eludes many questions.
First what seigniorage is, secondly the link between GDP and money issued by a Central Bank.
Thirdly, low inflation can be detrimental in a developping country because money needs to be spent by people.
A very small quantity of circulating money causes poverty because all the money will be possessed by the élites of that African country.

I am sorry...but you need to answer what seigniorage is, before trying to disprove Meloni's claims.
And also this question: do these country have a Central Bank? A National Bank?
Like the National Bank of Ivory Coast.

As a matter of fact, I do. Yet your PM never discussed it in your OP clip.
Having not been brought up in exam, it is not a viable topic for cross exam. Have your PM break down the economics in a useful way, rather than over dramatically yanking on a picture of an African child and glaring angrily into the camera, and we might have the discussion you seek. Although I believe that the outcome will remain unchanged.

The elites in any nation having all of the wealth, while the poor go without just about everything, has been the standard for all civilizations in all nations throughout all of history. This is the inevitable outcome of unregulated or poorly regulated capitalism. In the case of Burkina Faso several nations have been donating in order to maintain social stability, democracy, and improved infrastructure for several decades now.

Your final (off topic) question regarding Burkina Faso’s central bank, I will leave to you, as a test of whether you are actually paying attention to the arguments you throw out as chaff. I know the answer, yet you still have not addressed so many points raised by myself and others in this thread, it clearly indicates that you are dodging and invading rather than trying to face the truth.
That said, referencing the title of this thread you have yet to in anyway demonstrate how Democrats from the United States have involvement in this.

 

[Estro Felino]

As a matter of fact, I do. Yet your PM never discussed it in your OP clip.
Having not been brought up in exam, it is not a viable topic for cross exam. Have your PM break down the economics in a useful way, rather than over dramatically yanking on a picture of an African child and glaring angrily into the camera, and we might have the discussion you seek. Although I believe that the outcome will remain unchanged.

Ad hominem attack towards the PM.
Very sterile argument.

The elites in any nation having all of the wealth, while the poor go without just about everything, has been the standard for all civilizations in all nations throughout all of history.

Exactly. We Christians say that these élites will go to Hell. For eternity.

This is the inevitable outcome of unregulated or poorly regulated capitalism.

I perfectly agree.

In the case of Burkina Faso several nations have been donating in order to maintain social stability, democracy, and improved infrastructure for several decades now.

Where? That country needs schools, hospitals. It needs a social State that creates jobs. It needs factories where people can work.
It needs these things. Not charity.

Your final (off topic) question regarding Burkina Faso’s central bank, I will leave to you, as a test of whether you are actually paying attention to the arguments you throw out as chaff.

There is not. I already know. Each sovereign country should have its own National Bank.
But they are not sovereign countries. They are colonies.

I know the answer, yet you still have not addressed so many points raised by myself and others in this thread, it clearly indicates that you are dodging and invading rather than trying to face the truth.

Another ad hominem attack towards me this time.
Which denotes you are not able to disprove my point about seigniorage.

That said, referencing the title of this thread you have yet to in anyway demonstrate how Democrats from the United States have involvement in this.

I showed you that email...and as a result Obama and Hillary said that killing Gaddafi was an accomplishment.
So...there you go.

 

[Estro Felino]

@Daemon Sophic
Are you French, by chance?

 

[muhammad_isa]

We Christians say that these élites will go to Hell. For eternity..

Nobody know who will be in hell, or for how long.

The one pointing the finger, has 3 fingers pointing at themselves.
..not that I agree with global usury .. I don't.

 

[Estro Felino]

Nobody know who will be in hell, or for how long.

I am a Catholic. I believe what I was taught.

The one pointing the finger, has 3 fingers pointing at themselves.

We Catholics believe that not all sins are equal. There are venial sins and unforgivable sins.
We are all sinners. But many won't be forgiven.

..not that I agree with global usury .. I don't.

I kindly ask you to comment the video posted. Thank you.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I kindly ask you to comment the video posted. Thank you.

I had a quick look .. they just highlight France and its colonial past etc.

The global financial system is propped up by the likes of the G7.
Practically no country is exempt from corruption these days .. most of us are being forced to
"conform" just to survive.
'mark of the beast' etc. etc.

 

[Estro Felino]

I had a quick look .. they just highlight France and its colonial past etc.

The global financial system is propped up by the likes of the G7.
Practically no country is exempt from corruption these days .. most of us are being forced to
"conform" just to survive.
'mark of the beast' etc. etc.

May I ask you what your religion is?

 

[Estro Felino]

Furthermore, the mail you link to is a mail TO hillary, not a mail FROM hillary.

She receives that email and then she celebrates Gaddafi's DEATH.

Do you know how put two and two together?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

She receives that email and then she celebrates Gaddafi's DEATH.

Do you know how put two and two together?

I'm sure many people celebrated the death of this dictator who was guilty of all kinds of crimes against humanity etc.
Some will celebrate without caring about that and simply because they smell economic opportunity with him gone.
All kinds of people would have celebrated for all kinds of reasons.


None of this matters to the fact that you refuse to address: the actual REASON why UN-mandated military intervention took place in that country.
You can read all about it in security council resolution 1973.

Note how it makes no mention of anything even remotely related to any of this Hillary nonsense you keep insisting on

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm sure many people celebrated the death of this dictator who was guilty of all kinds of crimes against humanity etc.
Some will celebrate without caring about that and simply because they smell economic opportunity with him gone.
All kinds of people would have celebrated for all kinds of reasons.


None of this matters to the fact that you refuse to address: the actual REASON why UN-mandated military intervention took place in that country.
You can read all about it in security council resolution 1973.

Note how it makes no mention of anything even remotely related to any of this Hillary nonsense you keep insisting on

What does that mean? That the UN is holy?

That email shows the reason why they had to kill Gaddafi: to prevent him from undoing the criminal legalized usury of the CFA Franc.

Period. Gaddafi may have been a dictator...but he wanted to save Western Africa from a criminal system.

That email is the truth. Otherwise they wouldn't have jailed Assange for disclosing secrets of State.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What does that mean? That the UN is holy?

It means that you are at best dead-wrong about the reason for the military intervention. And dishonest about it at worst.

That email shows the reason why they had to kill Gaddafi: to prevent him from undoing the criminal legalized usury of the CFA Franc.

No.
Read resolution 1973.

Period. Gaddafi may have been a dictator...but he wanted to save Western Africa from a criminal system.
That email is the truth. Otherwise they wouldn't have jailed Assange for disclosing secrets of State.

You are delusional.

Read resolution 1973. That's the reason. That's why there was military intervention.

I don't know what else to tell you................................................

You insist on being wrong even when shown wrong.
Without resolution 1973 passing, there wouldn't have been any military intervention.
So if you wish to know the reason for the intervention, read what resolution 1973 says.

It matters not what hillary's mails were about.
None of that stuff is mentioned anywhere in resolution 1973.

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n11/268/39/pdf/n1126839.pdf

It also references resolution 1970. For your convenience I will post that one as well

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n11/245/58/pdf/n1124558.pdf

Not that I expect you to read these documents. Your mind is already made up and you will not allow yourself to be corrected.

 

[Estro Felino]

It means that you are at best dead-wrong about the reason for the military intervention. And dishonest about it at worst.



No.
Read resolution 1973.


You are delusional.

Read resolution 1973. That's the reason. That's why there was military intervention.

I don't know what else to tell you................................................

You insist on being wrong even when shown wrong.
Without resolution 1973 passing, there wouldn't have been any military intervention.
So if you wish to know the reason for the intervention, read what resolution 1973 says.

It matters not what hillary's mails were about.
None of that stuff is mentioned anywhere in resolution 1973.

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n11/268/39/pdf/n1126839.pdf

It also references resolution 1970. For your convenience I will post that one as well

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n11/245/58/pdf/n1124558.pdf

Not that I expect you to read these documents. Your mind is already made up and you will not allow yourself to be corrected.

You are trying to save Sarkoky but documents show that Gaddafi was murdered because he was projecting a gold-standard currency that would have replaced the CFA Franc.


These banksters are disposed to destroy countries and murder leaders in order to save their interests.

I am sorry...but you're not very good at convincing people.
Not even in a courtroom.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Here a video from the Prime Minister of Italy who clearly expresses how the solution to Africa's great social injustices is to liberate this continent, especially Western Africa, from banking and financial élites who gain billion of dollars by exploiting their resources.

And here explained more thoroughly.

Of course Hillary's emails clearly show that the despicable Democratic Party is on the wrong side of history, as usual, since they approve of France's efforts to oppose Mali's liberation from those élites. They remained four long years. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/24/niger-sahel-russia-africa-corps-united-states/

Thoughts?

You guys are kindly invited to stay on topic (the videos posted) and not to attack the OP as excuse not to deal with the topic.
You guys are kindly invited not to elude the questions those videos pose.
Thank you.

As a coloured South African, yes, neo-colonialism is a big thing. The former colonizers still exert power over Africa and America is along with them playing a big role in destabilizing African countries.

Its not just the democrats but also the republicans who are pro exploitation. They are two sides of the same coin. Both serve the rich who are in power.

The sad thing is that at the end of the day all of us are pro exploitation to an extent. We all love our technology which the tech companies produce because of the brutal exploitation of the DRC. Same goes with the clothes we wear and their link to asian sweatshops.

We can all give lip service and grandstand about how we are morally against exploitation. But in practice the vast majority of us, including the Italian prime minister, show that we don't care in any relevant way about this issue and are part of the problem because we financially support the companies that are the exploiters.

The best way to liberate the continent, is either for all of us to be conscious of where we buy things and force companies to change their practices through boycotts, or for Africa to take the means of production away from foreigners by any means necessary and start afresh. Because lets be honest, the Italian Prime Minister herself is most likely supported by members of the banking elite so I dont trust her sincerity.

IMO

 

[Samael_Khan]

So it had nothing to do then with him being a brutal dictator guilty of plenty of crimes against humanity?

Yeah, he was a brutal dictator, but also the west didn't get rid of him because they were against what he did. If you look at who they have supoorted in thrid world countries we see that they dont have a problem with supporting groups that love perpetrating crimes against humanity.

 

[Samael_Khan]

But it's Hillary that was in charge when Libya was undone. Gaddafi was trying to save those African countries from that legalized usury.
Evidence: WikiLeaks - Hillary Clinton Email Archive

The question is: do you PureX, side with Hillary's decision? Yes or No.

Yes, Gaddafi wanted to save other Afrucan countries. He is the one who wanted a United States of Africa which many Africans still want today. He supported many liberation movements. He was also a tyrant though. So the guy is a mixed bag at best.

 

[Estro Felino]

As a coloured South African, yes, neo-colonialism is a big thing. The former colonizers still exert power over Africa and America is along with them playing a big role in destabilizing African countries.

Its not just the democrats but also the republicans who are pro exploitation. They are two sides of the same coin. Both serve the rich who are in power.

The sad thing is that at the end of the day all of us are pro exploitation to an extent. We all love our technology which the tech companies produce because of the brutal exploitation of the DRC. Same goes with the clothes we wear and their link to asian sweatshops.

I didn't mean to say that Republicans are better than democrats, of course.

We can all give lip service and grandstand about how we are morally against exploitation. But in practice the vast majority of us, including the Italian prime minister, show that we don't care in any relevant way about this issue and are part of the problem because we financially support the companies that are the exploiters.

That's a very good point.
Nevertheless, I believe the root of the problem is the legalized usury that economists call seigniorage.
Western Africa countries deserve high standards of life too. The first step is to undo that criminal system called CFA Franc.
So...I don't see why they should go on living the way the live.

The best way to liberate the continent, is either for all of us to be conscious of where we buy things and force companies to change their practices through boycotts, or for Africa to take the means of production away from foreigners by any means necessary and start afresh. Because lets be honest, the Italian Prime Minister herself is most likely supported by members of the banking elite so I dont trust her sincerity.

The best way is revolution, as they did in Niger.
They need to chase away the neo-colonialists, and to nationalize all energy resources...and all raw materials.
So the money is distributed among the population through the construction of schools, hospitals, factories.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, Gaddafi wanted to save other Afrucan countries. He is the one who wanted a United States of Africa which many Africans still want today. He supported many liberation movements. He was also a tyrant though. So the guy is a mixed bag at best.

Nobody claims he was a saint.
Nevertheless, when a significant part of the population wants to impose religious fanaticism like FGM and burqah, you need to be tough to protect women's freedom.
As for the bankers, the email clearly shows that they needed him to be killed, in order to prevent him from creating this gold-standard currency, which would have replaced this legalized usury called CFA Franc system.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Nobody claims he was a saint.
Nevertheless, when a significant part of the population wants to impose religious fanaticism like FGM and burqah, you need to be tough to protect women's freedom.
As for the bankers, the email clearly shows that they needed him to be killed, in order to prevent him from creating this gold-standard currency, which would have replaced this legalized usury called CFA Franc system.

I agree with your viewpoint here.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I didn't mean to say that Republicans are better than democrats, of course.


That's a very good point.
Nevertheless, I believe the root of the problem is the legalized usury that economists call seigniorage.
Western Africa countries deserve high standards of life too. The first step is to undo that criminal system called CFA Franc.
So...I don't see why they should go on living the way the live.




The best way is revolution, as they did in Niger.
They need to chase away the neo-colonialists, and to nationalize all energy resources...and all raw materials.
So the money is distributed among the population through the construction of schools, hospitals, factories.

Seignorage is something I will look into. A new word for the day....

Yes I do think that the best way is revolution. The problem is that that brings its own problems as Africa doesnt have a great track record when it comes to what happens after revolutions. In most cases the lead revolutionary is a puppet of the west or part of an ethnic nationalist movement, and death and tyranny ensue. Corruption causes the wealth to be given to the lead party because everything gets nationalised. So I dont think nationalism is the answer. And in the case of south africa, the revolution was peaceful but through CODESA the agreement kept the wealth in the power of white elites in the new government, imo.

I think the solution is to forcefully or through affirmitive action take away the buildings, manufacturing and wealth away from those in power, prevent foreigners from investing in africa because through investment they gain power, isolating africa from everyone else, only nationalise certain activities, such as health care and allow for internal capitalism so that africans own the means of production, and then once we are healed open the continent up again.

But the requirements to get the conditions right is so complex and frought with sink holes that most likely we will be kicked back to the stone age. Then again, the majority of us already live in the "stone age" so they have nothing to lose, so really we are only holding back because of the few of us who are afraid to lose our privilege.