How Africa is being exploited by banking élites. How US Democrats are on the wrong side.

[Estro Felino]

That's not even remotely close to what he said.

Express yourself, then.
Have you ever studied at university?
If you have, professors asks questions...and you need to reply them, without eluding them.

Right, right....
If you want to call "taking over through the barrel of a gun with the use of wagner mercenaries"... "helping"...

Of course. Those banking élites need to be beaten up for applying legalized usury on those countries...so Wagner is the suitable force.

 

[Estro Felino]

Putin is using those mines to fund an illegal invasion of one of its sovereign neighbours.

No.
It is siding with the Liberation Armies who fight that legalized usury.
Putin is rich enough.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ow yes, let's have another round where you pretend to speak for all italians.

Enlighten me, then.
Why do Italians vote for Meloni?
She was elected democratically and she also won the European elections.

I bet that if we ask 100 meloni voters who Soros is, at least 75 of them wouldn't have a clue.

I can promise you that Soros is famous.
You know...the speculation of 1992?
Black Wednesday 1992?
Italians don't forget their enemies.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Express yourself, then.

I think his post was quite clear by itself.

Have you ever studied at university?

Yes, but I don't see how that is relevant. This is about basic reading comprehension. Hardly something that requires a university education...

If you have, professors asks questions...and you need to reply them, without eluding them.

As if you care about what professors say...

Of course. Those banking élites need to be beaten up for daring applying legalized usury on those countries...so Wagner is the suitable force.

They aren't beating up the "banking elites". They are beating up the miners.

 

[Estro Felino]

They aren't beating up the "banking elites". They are beating up the miners.

I rely on the direct sources: A change in Mali: The French out, Wagner in

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No.

Yes.

African Gold is Funding the War in Ukraine – RDI

Wagner Group forces are propping up African dictators in exchange for influence and lucrative mining rights As the bills for the war in Ukraine pile up, Russia could really use a gold mine. Thankfully for Putin, the Wagner Group has supplied several—all across Africa. Since February of 2022...

rdi.org

Putin is rich enough.

Russia isn't.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Enlighten me, then.
Why do Italians vote for Meloni?
She was elected democratically and she also won the European elections.

Sure, shift the burden of proof why don't ya.

I can promise you that Soros is famous.
You know...the speculation of 1992?
Black Wednesday 1992?
Italians don't forget their enemies.

lol

Too bad I'm not in Italy. I would enjoy making a video of asking 100 random Italians "who is soros?" only to see the majority not having a clue at all and / or at best having heard the name but knowing nothing about it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Sure, shift the burden of proof why don't ya.

You never answer pertinent questions.
I asked you about the video posted of Meloni.
You reply to my posts just to belittle me and to elude questions.

Do you have fun while doing that? I don't.

lol

Too bad I'm not in Italy. I would enjoy making a video of asking 100 random Italians "who is soros?" only to see the majority not having a clue at all and / or at best having heard the name but knowing nothing about it.

Do it.
Go to Milan or to Rome. Ask them why they vote for Meloni.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I rely on the direct sources: A change in Mali: The French out, Wagner in

Did you even read that article?

Because it sounds like you didn't, if you think it supports your point.................

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You never answer pertinent questions.

You never stick to a point. Whenever challenged, you just deflect and change the topic.

Do it.
Go to Milan or to Rome. Ask them why they vote for Meloni.

Yeah, I'll get right on that.... I'll go through all that effort just to amuse you in your shifting of the burden of proof.

 

[Estro Felino]

You never stick to a point. Whenever challenged, you just deflect and change the topic.

I give you one last chance, then.
After that, I will kindly ask you to remove all your posts from my thread.

Ok?

My question is: what do you think of the French presence in Western Africa and their legalized usury?
1) Do not belittle me
2) Do not insult me
3) Do not say it's not on topic, because that is a lie

Yeah, I'll get right on that.... I'll go through all that effort just to amuse you in your shifting of the burden of proof.

I am not having fun.
I am sick and tired of being gaslighted.

 

[Stevicus]

Just to point out / clarify... I said that that is up to the citizens of the authoritarian nations...

Any kind of revolution or resistance is a gambit. It's a roll of the dice.

There's this legend tale (likely fictional) about a Roman slave of Ceasar's daughter Julia, who participated in a slave uprising and was about to be executed. Julia tried to save him by freeing him so that he would no longer be a slave.
He declined and stated "Freedom is not something that can be given to you. It's something you have to take for yourself"

If that's true, then every person born in a Western country has been getting a free ride all this time.

In every country where the west "forced" democracy / freedom upon a nation through the barrel of a gun, it never really ended well.

It worked in Germany and Japan well enough.

 

[Estro Felino]

It worked in Germany and Japan well enough.

Best answer ever.

 

[Stevicus]

Best answer ever.

What I did not include in that answer is that Germany and Japan were given tons of US financial and military aid, something that was conspicuously absent in other countries where we've tried to "support freedom and democracy."

If we pumped a comparable amount of money into a country like Iran, there would have been no need to install a Shah to rule. We would not have needed to prop up rulers like Batista, Somoza, Pinochet, or Marcos if we had pumped tons of money into those countries like we did with Germany and Japan.

It's really very simple: Give people a first-world standard of living, and they will be happy. However, if you exploit them, cheat them, lie to them, and/or treat them poorly (while hoarding all the wealth and resources for yourself), they will become angry. It amazes me how many "educated" thinkers we have in Western societies, yet so few of them are capable of understanding this one basic principle.

 

[Estro Felino]

What I did not include in that answer is that Germany and Japan were given tons of US financial and military aid, something that was conspicuously absent in other countries where we've tried to "support freedom and democracy."

And now we Europeans should do the same with African countries.
A Marshall Plan for Africa...since the idea worked like a charm.

If we pumped a comparable amount of money into a country like Iran, there would have been no need to install a Shah to rule. We would not have needed to prop up rulers like Batista, Somoza, Pinochet, or Marcos if we had pumped tons of money into those countries like we did with Germany and Japan.

The religious factor is an impediment in Iran...because that makes everything much more complicated.

It's really very simple: Give people a first-world standard of living, and they will be happy. However, if you exploit them, cheat them, lie to them, and/or treat them poorly (while hoarding all the wealth and resources for yourself), they will become angry. It amazes me how many "educated" thinkers we have in Western societies, yet so few of them are capable of understanding this one basic principle.

Bravo. Absolutely flawless reasoning.
Also because the secret is to empower women: make women independent, and the entire society will change.

 

[Stevicus]

And now we Europeans should do the same with African countries.
A Marshall Plan for Africa...since the idea worked like a charm.

One of the problems in the past is that aid to African countries often doesn't get to where it needs to be. Sometimes it ends up in the pockets of corrupt politicians. Any aid package to Africa will have to account for that and find some sort of workaround.

The religious factor is an impediment in Iran...because that makes everything much more complicated.

Perhaps religion may have been used as a unifying influence to bring in those who may have felt left out or disaffected by the system. I've often observed that people who are oppressed or occupied might draw upon their own cultural and religious beliefs as an act of defiance against their oppressor. The downside of that is that it can easily degenerate into malignant nationalism.

 

[Estro Felino]

One of the problems in the past is that aid to African countries often doesn't get to where it needs to be. Sometimes it ends up in the pockets of corrupt politicians. Any aid package to Africa will have to account for that and find some sort of workaround.

The problem analyzed by the Italian PM is due to the "phony and fake aid" from France that is actually meant to bribe the local governments, so the raw materials are used to print that colonial money the PM was talking about: CFA Franc, which now has changed name in order to dupe the Africans. But it's the same fraudulent system.
It's legalized heist. Legalized usury and the funny thing is that only few banking élites will benefit from that wealth.
The French people will be left with nothing.
So the cheated ones are both the French people and the Africans.

Perhaps religion may have been used as a unifying influence to bring in those who may have felt left out or disaffected by the system. I've often observed that people who are oppressed or occupied might draw upon their own cultural and religious beliefs as an act of defiance against their oppressor. The downside of that is that it can easily degenerate into malignant nationalism.

The Pahlavi live in the US, now. I mean, the heirs of the shah.
I think that they dream of restoring democracy, but they should also understand that Iranians need social equality, social justice and first world standard of living.

 

[Estro Felino]

@Stevicus
One anecdote. In our national anthem there is this final sentence: we are ready to die, Italy has called.

I think my people are not afraid to die in a revolt. The President was going to appoint an unelected Freemason as PM, and the people threatened to assault the Quirinal Palace. I think that our rulers are terrified by the people.
That decision to appoint that Freemason was withdrawn after five seconds.

I believe one shouldn't be afraid to die for one's own ideals.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If that's true, then every person born in a Western country has been getting a free ride all this time.

No. Our ancestors fought and died for it.
Thank goodness we don't need to do it all over again every new generation.

It worked in Germany and Japan well enough.

Pat8to, potato.

First, you might want to review the history of Germany and how long it took for the reunification thereof.
Secondly, these were two countries that went to and declared war on the world.

Very different from simply going into, say, Iraq and Afghanistan.

By the end of the war, people there were very welcoming to a change in the old ways of doing things.

 

[Stevicus]

No. Our ancestors fought and died for it.
Thank goodness we don't need to do it all over again every new generation.

Some of our ancestors fought and killed for it. Although the historical reality was far more complicated than simply that. Those of us who are the descendants of the victors in war have benefited quite nicely.

Pat8to, potato.

First, you might want to review the history of Germany and how long it took for the reunification thereof.
Secondly, these were two countries that went to and declared war on the world.

Very different from simply going into, say, Iraq and Afghanistan.

By the end of the war, people there were very welcoming to a change in the old ways of doing things.

I'm not sure how any of this addresses the point I was making. The U.S. didn't have to send aid to Germany and Japan after the war. They could have left them a smoldering ruin - or exploited them for resources to ruination like any other conquered nation or overseas colony. There were some on the Allied side who wanted to do exactly that, but were overruled. They rebuilt and revitalized Germany and Japan because they wanted to. The reason that didn't happen in other places which were conquered or controlled by the West was that our governments didn't want to.