How an Omnipotent and All Loving God cannot exist.

[anonymous9887]

If everything around us is a reflection of our God, then so too is the inspiration of every man. It is commonly said, the Bible is an inspired work. It is because of exactly this. Those men were inspired by the world around them to write down their thoughts. And other men saw the merit in their words and followed what they said.

Are you saying that ONLY the inspiration of those men who wrote the Bible has merit?

I don't mean to be overly engaging BTW, or rude. Please forgive me if that is the case.

Yes I do because god chose those men for a reason. The reason that I say this is because there are some things those specific writers wrote that they could not have known during their time not to mention other popular beliefs were present at the time. For example Isaiah 40:22 written in about 700 B.C. and tobit saying the earth was flat at a later time, and there are many other ways we determine why these scriptures are god breathed 1 timothy 3:16 and 2 peter 1:21

 

[Alitheia Aylso]

God is the root of all evil.
He nurtures and protects it.
He is the patron of evil.
He is the one presiding.

God is the root of all virtue.
He nurtures and protects it.
He is the patron of virtue.
He is the one presiding.

Consider the following:

"Sun and moon move in measured order;
Shrubs and trees bow down;
The sky He raised, and established the balance,
So that you do not infringe the balance,
But measure in fairness, and not shortchange the balance."

It's all about perspective. God is not real unless you make him real. Ancient peoples looked at what was around them and they believed in one driving force, of the wind, the flow of water, the motion of stars, and life. Some people may look at what is around and believe something else. And in the end, who can say the truth of it?

Take into consideration everything that has happened in the world. There are atrocities committed by evil men, but there is also the opposite of that. Consider Jesus of Galilee and judge his message by its merit without dogma or theology, then consider that one driving force and its relation to evil. What do you decide to make of it?

A god that does good and evil things could exist, but I find that there is no reason for me to believe it does.

 

[Alitheia Aylso]

Sure -but what do you mean by "Christianity"? Even Christ said there would be false Christianity.


I would also definitely be interested in how you would have done things differently (referring to the barking up the wrong tree post)......

"Would you like to here what I would have done if I where the sole omnipotent being?"

1) Your version of Christianity
2) I already answered that in that thread but I will post it here.

1. I would make equals that I could convene with and make it to where we could not harm one another.

2. I would refuse to be worshiped.

 

[Koldo]

By that rationale, any parent who does not grant their child every wish they are able to, is malevolent.

The reason a good parent does not do this applies to God. good, love can only exist where they are freely chosen over evil, hate. We must know both for there to be a choice.

Parents aren't omnipotent and omniscient, therefore no, that doesn't work.

 

[TheSounding]

A god that does good and evil things could exist, but I find that there is no reason for me to believe it does.

This is the intro to the video:

"The one thing all humans have in common is that each of us wants to be happy, says Brother David Steindl-Rast, a monk and interfaith scholar. And happiness, he suggests, is born from gratitude. An inspiring lesson in slowing down, looking where you’re going, and above all, being grateful."


Let me persuade you. Monotheism capitalizes on the fact that gratitude is happiness. When a person considers everything around them to be the will of a loving God, there is essentially nothing they can't be grateful for. No other persuasion offers more gratitude and a return of happiness than monotheism.

You mention the loving characteristic of God. With monotheism everything is the will of God and there is nothing one could point to and say "that's not from God". And so the demonstration of God's love is his will to create love in people. This is why some people believe Jesus is God, because he was a creation full of love and kindness.

It is important to note that the speaker in the video merely makes an observation and that means it is not scientific. However, I am confident that if someone really took monotheism to heart and started to praise God throughout the day, and they did this habitually, they would feel happier than before they started out.

 

[Sees]

Extremely powerful and extremely loving not being divine enough is the humorous part of the old zinger for me. Must be All-Powerful and All-Loving, according to the imagination and comprehension of the questioner of course, for official seal of approval

Have always had serious doubt that the author to which it's attributed is the true author.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Parents aren't omnipotent and omniscient, therefore no, that doesn't work.

But where we are present and have the power, we still choose not to cater to every whim right?, and children often see this as very unfair for the exact same reason- they don't understand the greater benevolence, love, gift, of being allowed to face their own challenges.

 

[Koldo]

But where we are present and have the power, we still choose not to cater to every whim right?, and children often see this as very unfair for the exact same reason- they don't understand the greater benevolence, love, gift, of being allowed to face their own challenges.

No, it is still not the same. Having the power to grant the wish doesn't mean it won't cost you anything. Nor that it is always a good idea since tomorrow you might not be able to provide for them, and thus it might be better to teach them how to acquire what they want by themselves.

You can't really compare God with parents on this level.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

No, it is still not the same. Having the power to grant the wish doesn't mean it won't cost you anything. Nor that it is always a good idea since tomorrow you might not be able to provide for them, and thus it might be better to teach them how to acquire what they want by themselves.

You can't really compare God with parents on this level.

But you understand the shared principle here, even if you have unlimited resources, a good parent would not deny a child the self determination, independence, free will to solve their own challenges- because we know they will be far happier this way. We understand that a child cannot appreciate anything if everything is always assured.

This is exactly the same principle, remove any possibility of ever knowing evil/hate. then good/love has no meaning whatsoever. They can only exist in relation to each other- as right and left

 

[Koldo]

This is the intro to the video:

"The one thing all humans have in common is that each of us wants to be happy, says Brother David Steindl-Rast, a monk and interfaith scholar. And happiness, he suggests, is born from gratitude. An inspiring lesson in slowing down, looking where you’re going, and above all, being grateful."


Let me persuade you. Monotheism capitalizes on the fact that gratitude is happiness. When a person considers everything around them to be the will of a loving God, there is essentially nothing they can't be grateful for. No other persuasion offers more gratitude and a return of happiness than monotheism.

You mention the loving characteristic of God. With monotheism everything is the will of God and there is nothing one could point to and say "that's not from God". And so the demonstration of God's love is his will to create love in people. This is why some people believe Jesus is God, because he was a creation full of love and kindness.

It is important to note that the speaker in the video merely makes an observation and that means it is not scientific. However, I am confident that if someone really took monotheism to heart and started to praise God throughout the day, and they did this habitually, they would feel happier than before they started out.

By that standard, I suppose we should be grateful for smallpox too...

Putting that aside, everything you have said easily applies to polytheism too.

 

[Koldo]

But you understand the shared principle here, even if you have unlimited resources, a good parent would not deny a child the self determination, independence, free will to solve their own challenges- because we know they will be far happier this way. We understand that a child cannot appreciate anything if everything is always assured.

This is exactly the same principle, remove any possibility of ever knowing evil/hate. then good/love has no meaning whatsoever. They can only exist in relation to each other- as right and left

Speak for yourself. I don't agree with that statement at all. It is a baseless claim.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Speak for yourself. I don't agree with that statement at all. It is a baseless claim.

interesting..

 

[popsthebuilder]

If you do not wish to provide me evidence as to why Christianity true than can I provide evidence to debunk Christianity?

Please keep in mind that traditional Christianity has been tainted with confusion for a very long time. Let us conclude together. What bothers you about traditional Christianity? Allow me to learn with you. If knowledge is really what you seek.
Thanks.

 

[popsthebuilder]

yes what we see can be a reflection on our creator, but he has given us an explanation to why these things are happening. The bible teaches that god is good and created everything good but also gave us free will, and satan the devil decided to challenge gods sovereignty.I agree that nothing can happens outside of his will he is not the cause of wickedness, but allows it and explains himself to us in his word the bible. There is a fascinating reason why he allows such things to happen, its a little long to explain but it fills in the gaps on why life is the way it is.

Opportunity and responsability

 

[Augustus]

What about natural disasters then?

Can't blame God for those, they're caused by the gays...

 

[popsthebuilder]

A god that does good and evil things could exist, but I find that there is no reason for me to believe it does.

Evil is the work of man not God

 

[popsthebuilder]

1) Your version of Christianity
2) I already answered that in that thread but I will post it here.

1. I would make equals that I could convene with and make it to where we could not harm one another.

2. I would refuse to be worshiped.

Worship is a means to stay on the right path. It is pertinent that we worship only the one Creator God. Constant praise and worship or close to it is what keeps us from sinning and being overly prideful and greedy. It isn't worship just for the sake of worship it is for the sake of existence and good and salvation.

 

[popsthebuilder]

By that standard, I suppose we should be grateful for smallpox too...

Putting that aside, everything you have said easily applies to polytheism too.

Polytheism leads to an acceptance that evil is a creator. This is wholly wrong. There are opposing forces and by being opposing they are the opposite of God and not good and not of creation but the lack thereof. Thank you. All praises to the one God the Creator.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Speak for yourself. I don't agree with that statement at all. It is a baseless claim.

So it isn't obvious to you that spoiled children are doomed to not learn life's lessons?

 

[Koldo]

So it isn't obvious to you that spoiled children are doomed to not learn life's lessons?

What do you mean by 'spoiled child' ?
What life lessons does a child need to learn ?