• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

How are these Great Beings explained?

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
You should be able to zoom or enlarge it. I used an iPad and it shows up a decent size if you expand or zoom it.





View attachment 16687

Thank you.

Now all the other religions believe in god but Buddhism. They don't believe in a creator.

Hinduism has many creators.

Muhammad is a prophet and in mainstream christianity Christ is god himself.

Christianity gave birth in Rome and spread out to neighboring areas in Acts.

I don't think Muhammad travel far.

and so forth.

I'm not seeing a spiritual connection here. As for historical time periods, they are still in different areas. I know you're saying the same truth for a different age but you have to actually understand the religions personally to make that claim.

You have to be a christian, a hindu, a buddhist, a zoroastrian (which there are on this forum, I found), or a Muslim. You have to know these religions intimately to see the contradictions they have with each other.

Just having god up top alone makes the whole line a contradiction in itself.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
They may be able to help,us do these things better but these things are not exclusive to any particular religion, tradition, custom or culture.

They are. Muslims have specific ways they pray, in specific directions, embedded in specific beliefs. Learning to pray like a muslim doesnt make you muslim. These acts are embedded in ones spirituality.

You dont believe in the Eucharist. Your interpretation of jesus as a bahai is not the same as a christians interpretation of jesus. You can pray for hours but if you dont "get it" you wont get it. You cant be bahai. (Bahaullah isnt a hebrew prophet or roman apostle)

Each TLC is individual and "owned" by that religion. This goes back to cultural appropriation. Not understanding it is one thing. Understanding it and see the morality in it but disregard what TLC is to people is just so, well, wrong.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It's like asking the Muslims if Baha'u'llah is true or not. You're not going to get an honest answer.

Why not? From the Muslims's point of view, he is giving an honest answer, and it is the Bahai that is lying. Point of view, is just that, point of view, or perspective. There is no inherent truth in one point of view over another. What makes sense to one person makes no sense to another. We're not all the same.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Weird. I was checking my facebook and read from Ancestral Voices:

“The herbs, the prayers, the culture, because all what we are talking about is our culture and it's so easy for us to discard it and take on others peoples cultures, their medicines, their food, their way of life, even though we know it's not good for us…then we wonder why we are in the situation we are in.”
Pettridge Roach
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Krishna isn't a person, and because of all the lineages, there are many who are important, but no individuals that stand totally alone. None would ever have the audacity to claim they were greater than God.

The information provided in the Hindupedia strongly suggests Krishna was considered a real person.

Here is what Swami Tadgatananda says about Krishna:

"Devaki's child was but the plenitude of Brahman, pūrna brahma, manifesting its powers through the human form of an avatara, to uphold dharma and restore balance in a world afflicted with anomie. He was quick to remind his imprisoned parents about his true nature, and the parents, gifted with divine insight, were equally quick to apprehend the implications. Mother Devaki could not hide her awe:

That you the Supreme Being, who hold the whole universe within yourself at the time of your cosmic sleep, have been born of my womb is only your imitation of human ways to hide your identity—what a great joke you are playing on the world! Bhagavata

Krishna was not the first incarnation of Vishnu. So Devaki was not unaware of the special manifestation of the Divine in human form. But to have the Divine for one’s child was overwhelming even for Devaki. The incarnation is ‘the meeting point of all contradictions, the best visible expression of the invisible divine ground’, and in Krishna, the eighth major avatara of Vishnu, we find reconciled a host of paradoxes. That the apparently frail infant in Devaki’s lap could inform her of his extraordinary nature was only one of the many acts that sets apart Krishna from other humans, even as it points to the infinite potential latent in the human frame. Of the many avataras—and the Bhagavata speaks of the possibility of infinite divine incarnations- Krishna’s life remains uniquely etched in people's consciousness. Not only have his life and teachings had a major impact in the development of culture both religious and secular on the Indian sub-continent; his legend has been an integral part of the lives of numerous people down the ages. His miraculous and heroic exploits have provided the theme for numerous and varied representations in literature, art, music, sculpture, folk song, and drama. For littérateurs, artists, and spiritual seekers he is an eternal inspiration. "

By Swami Tadgatananda

Krishna - Hindupedia, the Hindu Encyclopedia
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The information provided in the Hindupedia strongly suggests Krishna was considered a real person.

You're right, but that is the Vaishnava POV. Not just ordinary real person, but simultaneously God. But this is why, as you may have determined by now, I'm not a Vaishnavite.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Why not? From the Muslims's point of view, he is giving an honest answer, and it is the Bahai that is lying. Point of view, is just that, point of view, or perspective. There is no inherent truth in one point of view over another. What makes sense to one person makes no sense to another. We're not all the same.

The difference being that the Baha'is of Iran are the perfect exemplars of Ahimsa while their oppressors are murderous thugs.

So you think those who practice perfect ahimsa are no different than those who commit violence and war crimes?
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
You're right, but that is the Vaishnava POV. Not just ordinary real person, but simultaneously God. But this is why, as you may have determined by now, I'm not a Vaishnavite.

So the Vaishnavites view Krishna similarly to how Baha'is view Krishna?

Did a quick search for relevant links to better research the two branches as they sound like major divisions of Hinduism in their own right.

Śaiva - Hindupedia, the Hindu Encyclopedia

Shaivism - Wikipedia

Vaiśnava - Hindupedia, the Hindu Encyclopedia

Vaishnavism - Wikipedia

I could be vey busy reading. I already have a mountain of paperwork to clear at work!:)
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Thank you.

Now all the other religions believe in god but Buddhism. They don't believe in a creator.

Hinduism has many creators.

Muhammad is a prophet and in mainstream christianity Christ is god himself.

Christianity gave birth in Rome and spread out to neighboring areas in Acts.

I don't think Muhammad travel far.

and so forth.

I'm not seeing a spiritual connection here. As for historical time periods, they are still in different areas. I know you're saying the same truth for a different age but you have to actually understand the religions personally to make that claim.

You have to be a christian, a hindu, a buddhist, a zoroastrian (which there are on this forum, I found), or a Muslim. You have to know these religions intimately to see the contradictions they have with each other.

Just having god up top alone makes the whole line a contradiction in itself.


Thanks Carlita for looking at it and I accept and respect that you don't agree with it. That's just our understanding but we accept you see it all differently and are happy for you to see it differently.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
No. I'm happy with equal truth but not superior or greater. We cannot exalt one belief over another. They are all equal truth to us.

That wouldn't make sense. You'd have to be religionless to be equal to others. That's why I don't claim a religion because doing so makes me feel imbalance compared to those who just differ than me not right or wrong nor agree or disagree just differ.

Can you not be a bahai in order to share in one-truth without interpreting it through one religion out of a thousand options to choose from?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
@loverofhumanity

Maybe my question is why do you think culture, language, and tradition are not embedded and define spirituality and mystical experiences?

I can't see the division you're making between the two.

Also, do you have a culture?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Thanks Carlita for looking at it and I accept and respect that you don't agree with it. That's just our understanding but we accept you see it all differently and are happy for you to see it differently.

Are you able to try and understand why we are saying you are wrong both historically and spiritually?

You don't have to agree but disagreeing doesn't change how religion is created and how people interpret spirituality and TLC within themselves, others, and their environment.

You can't have peace if you disagree without understanding the nature of the disagreement to build mutual understanding and agreement with understanding at the least.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Well, you're representing yourself so of course we're going to ask more questions. ;)

My truth and your truth is just asking how love is the same love for me and you when our love is shaped by our cultural, tradition, and language.

I honestly don't see how you miss that?

Maybe my question is why do you think culture, language, and tradition are not embedded and define spirituality and mystical experiences?

I can't see the division you're making between the two.

Ok let's look at love. I understand love from a Christian perspective but my wife was born in Burma, a Buddhist culture, which was influenced by Buddhism so their expression of love is different from mine, but both cultures have and know love because it's an intrinsic quality built into all human beings.

In the Burmese culture their expression of love is to serve and feed you as they know poverty. Instead of 'how are you? the Burmese greet each other with - 'have you eaten?

At first I thought that because they hadn't been taught the Christian concept of love that they didn't understand it but in practice they express love more with deeds than words.

But they understand love and so do we.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
@loverofhumanity

Maybe my question is why do you think culture, language, and tradition are not embedded and define spirituality and mystical experiences?

I can't see the division you're making between the two.

Also, do you have a culture?

They express spirituality and do define it but I believe what should define spirituality as I understand it is the Word of God as it is perfect. If we base any tradition or spirituality upon man made ideas it might or might not turn out to be good depending on the person, but principles and teachings which come from God are the best model, I believe upon which to base ones life.

What I believe has happened is humanity is basing a lot of its traditions and customs on man made ideas which haven't brought us to peace or unity but instead caused conflict and division,

If we want a peaceful world I think we need to go back to our real roots in the Word of God. For some this is not a part of their beliefs so we continue to have a world based not upon spiritual principles but materialistic ideals. And we pay the penalty for that in various ways such as wars, drugs , violence and so on.

Baha'is are developing and basing their culture upon the Words of Baha'u'llah not just their own ideas or feelings.
 
Top