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How are these Great Beings explained?

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I have not seen this group so if you provide me a link I will happily look at it and consider.

The Baha'i writings emphasise love, compassion and peace so clearly the attitudes you describe towards one who leaves the Baha'i Faith do not reflect the Baha'i writings. As previously mentioned I am friends with two ex-Baha'is.

It would be against my morals to give it to you. Those folks are suffering enough without more Baha'i going there to insult or argue with them. You'll have to find it yourself. It's not hard.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I one way I see mind like the universe.

Each one of us a celestial body circling the suns, all a part of the whole.

With unity of mind we balance the universe, if one mind departs from the structure it sets in motion disruption to the balance, with many minds departing from the process, a great disruption is made and a greater correction required.

Thus I see minds that use violent in and immorality in life and as entertainment, all feeding minds, trapped in this world of self, and feeding the disruption.

Regards Tony
Yes, this is the Baha'i view.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
It just dawned on me why I dont get your analogies. The Source, Giver, Maker, Great, etc are adjectives. They describe something not define the nature of it. The nature of the sun is a ball of gass. The adjectives that describe it is hot and yellow. Its relation to others is it helps with the warm seasons when the earth is closer to the sun.

As an analogy for god, it does not work. You need to define the nature of god (ball of gas??) and Then describe the mirror, the reflection, the rays, and reflection.

Thank you Varlita, then that is the Great Beings, all else is just pure fabricated imagination.

Regards Tony
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
The Buddha taught: It is all about ourselves (man) not a higher power (No Brahma)

He taught we are in control: We control our mind and how we perceive the world. (Not heart first, mind first)

He taught (In Mahayana view) that all sentient beings-you, me, The Buddha, everyone has the potential to be Buddhas (enlightened). There is no higher/lower. Even the gods are in samsara.

That's what I believe. These are beliefs rather than statements of fact.

Hi Carlita, nice to see you back again. Would you please provide the writings from the Buddha that support these views?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Have you read any of what they beleive?

Regards Tony
Most of it was oral history. Here in Canada it's mostly lost, but the little bit that was recorded by elders is diverse from coast to coast. As for Australia, there seemed to be a lot spoken about Dreamworld, from the shows I've watched. (The Aboriginal/First Nations TV network here occasionally shows stuff from Australia.) But just by numbers and geography alone, it's logical to assume tremendous diversity. Food, clothing, shelter, etc. all the concrete things have been demonstrated as diverse by archeology. I can't see them all having any knid of unity of mind, but you're welcome to believe that. I studied the Pygmy culture, and the Bushmen culture at University, not to any high degree, but enough to see huge diversity. Diet ranged from cannibalism to vegetarianism.

But of course you're free to feel you're right and I'm wrong.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Thank you Varlita, then that is the Great Beings, all else is just pure fabricated imagination.

Regards Tony

I dont see it that way. The Buddha taught god is an attachmement not from our imagination. Its from our mind and internal (mind not heart). Its real just as love is real. It doesnt exist externally but dependent on other things like how we were raised, what we personify as truth, how we interpret and attribute our experiences and to what or who.

They are real just not in the manner most abrahamics define god. Its as if saying he is from your mind make him less rral than him being a rock, person, or isolated entity in space.

The problem is defining these experiences and definitions in your mind in an objective way so it is true and fact as a whole. If not, we at least know what it is and call it a lie. I cant see either

Cause I need to know what it is first.

Cough.... not from my view, its not about me. But from yours.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
More flowers in the garden of mankind. Wonderful.

Having a little experience living in various Aboriginal Communities and on some Pacific Islands, I have found the foundations of their stories very complimentary.

It's really diverse. perhaps on those few islands it's closer, and any archeologist would be able to demonstrate how proximity in geography usually leads to proximity in thought. But not always. Did you associate with any former cannibals?

Here's a link that demonstrates diversity. The author makes the point that the single most common view in the worldview of indigenous peoples is a connection to land and resources. That, of course, makes sense.

Sadly, invasions by dominating 'cultures' has led to a loss of that connection.

Indigenous Worldview | iiwgha
 
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TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Christians use Adam's disobedience as the reason why God cursed the world. Plus, they have Satan doing his dirty work. But how do Baha'is explain all the negative things in nature, like viruses and harmful bacteria?

Nothing is negative in its own state. All has a purpose.

It is for us to find the purpose and balance and Gods Laws contain that balance.

When Gods Law say we need to be clean, if we choose not to be clean by whatever reason (our choice or not) then this gives a platform for bacteria and viruses to spread because of the neglect.

Big subject, much written on this in all Holy Writings.

Regards Tony
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
It would be against my morals to give it to you. Those folks are suffering enough without more Baha'i going there to insult or argue with them. You'll have to find it yourself. It's not hard.

You seriously think we are all going to join this discussion group and start harassing ex-Baha'is? lol

As I have said before there are many sides to any one story.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
You seriously think we are all going to join this discussion group and start harassing ex-Baha'is? lol

As I have said before there are many sides to any one story.

So far there has been absolutely no support there from Baha'i. All negative. So why would I risk it? You may be right, but it's not worth the risk to me. Leave people in peace. Same reason we have DIRs here. You honestly want the non-Baha'i folks from this thread going over to the Baha'i DIR and having these discussions?
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
It's really diverse. perhaps on those few islands it's closer, and any archeologist would be able to demonstrate how proximity in geography usually leads to proximity in thought. But not always. Did you associate with any former cannibals?

The though is varied, but consider I was looking for the common foundations. Islanders being quite diverse from mainland Aboriginals.

I never asked upon that subject, I got to know some people from North Malaita who were great warriors. I have never seen harder and tireless workers than North Malaitans. 12 hr hard manual Labour, day after day, week after week, on such a miniscule amount of food.

Regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The though is varied, but consider I was looking for the common foundations. Islanders being quite diverse from mainland Aboriginals.

I never asked upon that subject, I got to know some people from North Malaita who were great warriors. I have never seen harder and tireless workers than North Malaitans. 12 hr hard manual Labour, day after day, week after week, on such a miniscule amount of food.

Regards Tony
I read the wiki article. Sounds like an interesting place. Not without repercussions from European invasions though, as is common.

Malaita massacre - Wikipedia
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I can do that. Before I get my books, are you going to discuss it with me or you want to know if I got support?

I really like what you have posted in regards to Buddhism and was enjoying conversing with you about it. Its an opportunity for me to learn more. Beyond that, I'll respond based on what you post.
 
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